Chapter 1: What is discussed at the start of this section?
It's Stuart Waitley. Thanks for listening to the podcast. In this episode, the end of the Michael Voss era at Carlton. Your thoughts were passionate and plenty. The leadership portfolio with Luke Hodge and Carlton's last premiership coach, David Parkin. Cricket Australia chief executive Todd Greenberg in the studio and across the divide with Andrew Voss. You can get in touch at any time.
Waitley at sen.com.au. Thanks for listening. Enjoy. Tuesday morning. This is your town. This is your station. This is Waitley. Good morning. There has rarely been a clearer case of a coach set up to fail like Michael Voss this year at Carlton. A team deliberately taking steps backwards for the long term, but with a coach in the final year of his contract fitted up for judgement. It couldn't work.
It was near identical to the Giants' handling of Leon Cameron in 2022. Cameron coached his last game in Round 9. Voss coached his last game in Round 9. The lesson here is eternal. A club can't be half-hearted on its coach. You either believe in him or you don't. Crossing your fingers and closing your eyes, wishing and hoping and thinking and praying never works.
And as soon as you waver, it's over. Carlton did plenty of wavering and Voss never had a chance. Carlton has ridden the doom loop from the opening moments of its season. Worse, it has actively spun the doom loop. It was foolish making statements about the top 10 once they'd seen the reality of the team. It set expectations that could never be met.
It smacked of a club that couldn't level with its fans base. And while Voss held his dignity and refused to engage in the three-day updates on his job, there seemed always a willing administrator to do just that. Until ultimately the only question that matters, am I in your future plans? Once the answer was no, it was time to put an end to the misery. Carlton's litany of sacked coaches grows.
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Chapter 2: How was Michael Voss's coaching era at Carlton characterized?
Brett Ratton, Mick Malthouse, Brendan Bolton, David Teague, and now Michael Voss. Three of the five in the first half of seasons. None of it has unlocked the path to what modern success looks like.
It's more likely that it's created the leaden weight of consequence that sits so heavily over the Blues and the footy equivalent of PTSD that grips the senior players who have lived through the familiar path to dismissal. There are Blues supporters who have no other ideas than to sack the coach. You have another head on a stick today. Congratulations. Are you happy? Is the club better off?
What happens now? As the epitaphs are written on Michael Voss's five seasons with the Blues, let it be remembered he took the team to its first preliminary final since the David Parkin era. It was a glorious and unlikely late season run that reminded us of what Carlton once was and aspired to be and is not anymore. The stands of the MCG shook at the climax of that semifinal.
It felt like deliverance. In hindsight, it was a miracle. The slide since has been dispiriting and clearly exhausting. Voss's Carlton has the fatal flaw of not being able to halt momentum, whether that be tactical, attitudinal or spiritual. Jacob Wiedering said it with us last week. It's happening again. This morning, it's all happened again. The coach is gone at Carlton in a tale as old as time.
One thing as a senior coach, you never lose hope as much as the ridicule is around you and the pressure's on. I think the day you lose your personal self-belief and hope that you can turn it around, then you're done. Well, you never give up. In his private moments, he would now recognise he's not getting another contract, wouldn't he? If that's the case, then you should knock on the door.
I think we're a bit weird, the coaches. We're not rational sometimes. I'm sure there's a belief piece there that he's a waver, of course, and there's a little bit of hope there. But if you lose your hope and your belief, then there's no point.
What is the goal of your board? He needs to ask questions back of them and to find out what they expect from him. And they might not be able to give him the correct answer. But you're the coach. You've got to ask that question. You've got to go and ask a direct question around your future. You know, where am I at? How long can this go on?
Are you strong enough to stand behind me still and with me still? Or is there something that I need to know today in preparation for myself? I would think there's change coming at Carlton. I hope not for Michael's sake, but I think... With what we're seeing, there's probably some sort of change coming and he needs to have that correct answer. Well, we're a results-based industry.
So naturally, if you continue to lose games, Gerard, I'd say that there's changes would have to be made in some way.
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Chapter 3: What lessons can be learned from Carlton's coaching changes?
You watch Carlton week in, week out, and you struggle to see a change, a structure, even a mindset from the players to be able to... understand the trends on when to just go slow. Their game style doesn't seem to change a hell of a lot. And what it did take on the weekend was a coach at halftime to absolutely rip them from to get a response. And this is round nine.
You can't leave a coach to have to do that every time for you to get a response. Look, they've got now ā and what you'll see, and this is what frustrates, I guess, supporters is what you're going to see over the next few weeks is more than likely players go out and feel the shackles have been released and they're going to go and take risks. They're going to switch the ball.
They're going to open up everything that you've been asking Carlton to do since their prelim in 2023. You'll finally see that, but too little too late for Vossian. It's a tease for the next coach coming through of what they can have. The next big question, therefore, is talking about leaders is ā Who stays and who goes? So you look at the change that King made when he came into Melbourne.
Two leaders there, obviously, they had the issue of Petrarca since his injury and Oli with his cultural side of things. But they've both gone off to other teams. They've got some players in and they've got free running. They've got a team that's playing the style that will win games in today's game. They just need a few more experienced players and a few more years with that game style.
But you look at Carlton. Do they have the opportunity now to release a couple of those? And we've spoken a little bit about Kripper and does he finish his career somewhere else? This is the decision for the new coach and obviously right in the list management to come and say, this is our time to don't stick with what we've been doing for year upon year.
It's our time to clear it out and have a look at what we can do over the next four, five, six years to build up. Is that what you would do? Yes, I would have strong conversations with a few of the senior players and saying, where do you see yourself? And we saw it with Hewitt is you might have to go back and play your seconds if you're not in the team or you can't fulfill what we need.
And the hardest conversation here is the Cripper because he's been the heart and soul of the football club for such a long period of time. You've got to understand it is a business. And the new coach coming in, you can see what happens. The media is relentless. If you're not living up to their expectations, then they'll come hard for you. So the new coach has to have that in mind.
And he's got to make the best decision for the future of the Carlton Football Club. And that may mean burning a couple of bridges or having a few tough conversations with some players that have been so, so good for you over a long period of time. Is it a good job? Do you mean getting the Carlton football? Yeah.
I've got a list of coaches who will tell you it's not a good job to take.
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Chapter 4: What does the future hold for Carlton after Voss's resignation?
Too many people have had a say at that football club, um, when they haven't been in the right role to have a say. Um, Graham Wright's come across and clearly Wright is there to make a few moves. So he did it at Collingwood and they got a premiership a couple of years later when obviously moved on Buckley and got McRae.
This is another chance for Graham Wright to try and, I guess, get a bit of stability with that football club, something they have not had for a number of years.
You ā one of the triggers from the press conference the other night, Prit Jhuri is having heard Vossi and then what was likely to happen next.
Yeah. When he said ā because someone questioned him about the future of him and he goes, I'm not coaching for myself. And the quote he said was, by the time I leave here, we've got to have winning behaviours and that ā It's clearly that they all understand what that is. And then he obviously steps down a couple of days later.
So there's no doubt there was conversations and he's probably gone back and had, is there any future with it? Because the football they played in that third quarter, I'm like, well, how do they score their goals? I went and looked at them. They had a contest in the fourth half. So Brisbane Lions are known for intercept marking and transition on the ball.
They had a fight in the forward half to bring it to ground. They put them under pressure. They turned the ball over and they were able to score. That's a good style of football when you're coming up against the reigning premiers. So clearly they've sort of sat back and gone, well, we did look the okay. But once the writing's on the wall, it's part ways. I think they've done the right thing.
But for the coach who's coming in, there's going to be a lot of tough decisions that they're going to have to make at that football club to change the trend. What if they had seven coaches in 20 years? Change the trend. It might mean there's a few unhappy supporters, a few unhappy players. But time heals wounds if it's the right decisions to make.
What do you think the senior players are feeling today, having lived through it numerous times now from Patrick Cripps down?
Well, you heard Wiedering on your show last week that he knew it was coming, just the fact that he'd been through it three times prior. And it's the same thing. They're optimistic that... the new coach will come in and be able to make some changes because they're sick of being down the bottom. Three years ago, they had a taste of a prelim final. I was sitting at that game.
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Chapter 5: What leadership challenges does the new Carlton coach face?
And this, along with bad leadership, kills a team, Gerard. And unfortunately, whoever gets in there is going to have to sit down with each player individually. That's what I'll do. I'll tell you guys, I'm the new coach. We are one and eight. You've played so many of the last, you know, whatever games. What do you see as a problem? And what are you happy and unhappy about?
That's what I'll do with every single player first on the job. Yeah. That's what I'll do. And I'll say, what's up? Are you being played out of position in your opinion? Are you not happy with this?
Chapter 6: What are the supporters' feelings about Michael Voss's resignation?
Is it a team? And that's what I would do. Now, I've never coached a game. Don't get me wrong. I have run a business and all that.
Chapter 7: What accountability issues are raised regarding the Carlton board?
But that's what I'll be doing. Now, there is a systematic problem there that needs to be sorted. And look, whoever gets the next job... may not be there for the next successful era. I don't know. I hope so. But I think I would share the feelings of many supporters at the moment. It's like it's a bit of, oh, well, it's all over again. Yes, but on the other hand, it is a sense of relief.
I haven't been to a game for over three years.
Chapter 8: How do the callers perceive the future of Carlton's coaching strategy?
I think I told you this last week. I just doubt I'm going to go back there whilst, unfortunately, Michael Boss was at the helm. And I will get a membership next year, and I'll probably start going to games again. You know, I've got a 29-year-old son. who hasn't really seen any success. And I'm not alone.
And I mentioned last week as well that a lot of the group of friends and all that that I used to go to the footy with most weeks, but none of them go anymore for whatever reason. But that's how I feel, mate. That's how I feel. All right, Mick. Thanks for sharing it with us again. Good on you. We'll look forward to seeing you back at the footy shortly. Rod, this guy is spot on.
Has more knowledge than Parkin and Waitley. More knowledge than me, but got to leave Parko out of that, I think. Trevor, James and Snapper next. Try McCafe's drinks range. Let's join Nathan in the newsroom. Nathan, thank you. Trevor's in Taylor's legs. Hello to you, Trevor. Morning, Gerard. It's time for an uprising at Carlton.
The members, supporters, the fish rots at the head and this board has got no accountability. They've had no accountability. They are the ones that make the decisions for our coaching, for our CEO. They are a bunch of egomaniac, self-serving individuals that need to look in the mirror and Michael Voss shouldn't be the one resigning today. This board needs to be resigning.
It's a long list of failure after failure in the football department, the development, the coaching decisions, the CEO decisions, the mismanagement of our football department. It's time for the members to uprise and I hope and I know that change is coming at Carlton. What do you know? That there's people out there that are fed up
with the way that this board has mishandled the club for a number of years. Appointing their own minions underneath them through occasional vacancies, not being held accountable or at least being held accountable by the members to be able to appoint board positions. uh, there are people out there that have had enough and there will be a challenge to this board very, very soon.
And, uh, and I think it's, it's about time that, uh, we see change at the top. Trevor, thank you for your call. James is in Vermont. Welcome James. Morning, Jared. Uh, gee, there's a lot to unpack from Mick and Trevor there.
Yes. I don't know where to go with that, but I've got three points, 50 year member, Jared. Um, The players are the ones that play the game. The coaches, the board, they're all off the field. The guys on the field are highly talented players, some more than others, but they're the guys that need to step up and produce. They show they can do it. I have a point regarding coaching.
I think Carlton needs to look at somebody like Chris Scott, who's been at Geelong a long time. There's talk about him going to Tasmania. So maybe he's not unsettled, but ready for a change, a new exciting pathway, if you can call it exciting at Carlton. I just think I'll be putting everything into a Chris Scott. And I think he's probably the best coach in the AFL.
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