Could a little pill help treat COVID-19?
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What is the current state of COVID‑19 treatments and why are they needed?
This is an ABC podcast. Hello, this is Coronacast, a daily podcast all about the coronavirus. I'm health reporter Tegan Taylor.
And I'm physician and journalist Dr Norman Swan. It's Friday the 30th of April 2021.
And we've spent a lot of time in the last few weeks and months, Norman, talking about vaccines for COVID. That sort of feels like our way out of the pandemic. But early in the pandemic, we talked a bit more about treatments. And Pfizer has had some publicity over the last couple of days about a treatment that it's working on. What is it and what does it do?
So you're absolutely right. If you go back to the beginning of Coronacast, 300 years ago, what the experts were saying was that a vaccine is probably not going to happen here. There's been no successful vaccines against this kind of respiratory virus. Where you're going to get your benefit is indeed from treatments. And that's where you're going to see this great revolution.
How does Pfizer’s new oral protease‑inhibitor pill work against SARS‑CoV‑2?
And that fact hasn't happened. And just before I get to the Pfizer one, so where we got to with treatment was hydroxychloroquine didn't work. Ivermectin may work a little bit, but it's really doubtful. But steroids do work, and that was shown by the British, and reduced mortality by about 20%. Remdesivir is pretty disappointing in terms of It probably just reduces hospitalization a little bit, but doesn't do an awful lot of good. And anti-HIV drugs didn't work and so on. But this comes to the Pfizer drug is actually not that dissimilar to some anti-HIV drugs because it's called a protease inhibitor.
So we're talking about a pill and what does it actually do?
So what it does is it inhibits replication of the virus, which is what protease inhibitors that are geared towards HIV do as well. And that's what they're aiming to do, so that it attacks the specific proteases involved. So a protease is an enzyme that's required for viruses to replicate themselves. And the inhibitor inhibits that enzyme and therefore prevents replication. So that's what they're trying to do.
What are the safety and efficacy expectations for the pill’s Phase 1 and Phase 3 trials?
Very successful in HIV. We've just got to see whether or not it works with SARS-CoV-2. They do have side effects, by the way, with HIV. So this one would have to, you know, the side effect profile would have to be pretty closely monitored. They can be quite expensive drugs. So that's the other side of this is what the cost would be. But this would be treatment for people who have got COVID-19, presumably high risk people. And it would stop the virus replicating and presumably stop infection of others, which in fact is what happens with HIV. When you get the HIV viral load down very, very low, you actually can prevent transmission.
And so when we hear that there's maybe a new drug and Pfizer's had a lot of success with its vaccine, people want to throw their hats in the air and celebrate. But this is only in phase one clinical trial so far.
Yeah. So this, even if they accelerate, they will get a lot of patients, unfortunately, because there's still a lot of COVID around. So it's going to be quite easy to do. a phase three trial if it's safe in phase one.
How severe is COVID‑19 for pregnant women and what risks does infection pose?
So phase one is gross safety. So they will be able to recruit a lot of patients quite quickly in the same way as they were for the vaccines. So it'll be a great thing because we are short of antiviral drugs. So it'll be a fantastic thing to get. And it's particularly in a world where the world is not going to be vaccinated to a significant extent anytime soon. So a treatment is still going to be incredibly useful.
What's the timeframe for it then?
Who knows? I mean, I think they're talking about moving into phase three trials quite quickly if the phase one is OK. But you're probably not going to see this being ready for approval till next year.
Well, let's talk about vaccines now, because how could we deny our audience a day without vaccines? So there's a couple of papers out. We get a lot of questions about pregnancy and risk of COVID and risk of getting vaccines. And there's a couple of papers out recently that shed a bit more light on this.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the current state of COVID‑19 treatments and why are they needed?
0:00–0:52
2
How does Pfizer’s new oral protease‑inhibitor pill work against SARS‑CoV‑2?
0:52–1:59
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What are the safety and efficacy expectations for the pill’s Phase 1 and Phase 3 trials?
1:59–2:57
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How severe is COVID‑19 for pregnant women and what risks does infection pose?
2:57–3:50
5
Are mRNA COVID‑19 vaccines safe for pregnant people and what do early studies show?
3:50–5:17
6
What is the plan for new quarantine facilities in Victoria and how might they affect outbreak control?
5:17–6:59
7
How effective are current vaccines against emerging variants and what future updates are expected?
6:59–9:05
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How are AstraZeneca‑related blood‑clotting events diagnosed and treated, and should blood thinners be used?
9:05–9:34