In the conclusion of their conversation, Jan Cerny dives deeper into the heart of Constellations for Leading Organizational Change, exploring the critical differences between change and transformation. She shares powerful stories from leaders who turned failure into opportunity, built cultures of trust, and navigated resistance with courage. Jan also reflects on why she felt called to write the book, the inspiration she drew from her interviewees, and how jazz—and authenticity—shaped the way she approached both her work and her life. Share this episode with a colleague navigating change, and join the Whiskey, Jazz, and Leadership VIP Community for exclusive insights and behind-the-scenes content

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