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On today's episode of The Wholesome Fertility Podcast, I am joined by Laetitia Felix @mindset_bodyandsoul, a fertility mindset coach who shares her deeply personal and powerful journey through infertility, loss, and ultimately conception. After experiencing three ectopic pregnancies and an early miscarriage, Leatitia was told IVF was her only option—but she knew in her heart there was another path. In this vulnerable conversation, she opens up about how slowing down, healing her nervous system, and connecting to her spiritual self helped her conceive naturally—against the odds and through the same fallopian tube doctors advised removing. We also explore spirit baby communication, the emotional toll of unexplained infertility, and how reclaiming your inner wisdom can be the most radical act of self-love. This episode is an invitation to stop, listen, and trust the messages your body and spirit may already be sending you. Key Takeaways: Laetitia Felix conceived naturally after three ectopic pregnancies and an early loss—through the same tube doctors recommended removing. IVF was presented as her only option, but she chose to explore inner healing and spiritual connection instead. Emotional processing, mindset work, and womb healing played a major role in restoring her health and fertility. Connecting with her spirit baby gave her reassurance, peace, and a sense of divine timing. Fertility healing isn't one-size-fits-all—trusting your intuition and calming the nervous system are foundational. Guest Bio: Laetitia Felix @mindset_bodyandsoul is a certified Fertility Mindset Coach based in London, originally from France. After navigating her own challenging path to motherhood—including multiple pregnancy losses—she now supports women on similar journeys through her holistic Mind, Body, and Soul approach. Laetitia helps women process emotional trauma, release both conscious and unconscious blocks, and reconnect with their inner wisdom to prepare for conception. Deeply passionate about this work, she brings compassion, lived experience, and powerful tools to guide women—whether they're just starting out or healing after loss. Links and Resources: Visit Laetitia's Instagram Book a free discovery call via her website For more information about Michelle, visit www.michelleoravitz.com To learn more about ancient wisdom and fertility, you can get Michelle's book at: https://www.michelleoravitz.com/thewayoffertility The Wholesome Fertility facebook group is where you can find free resources and support: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2149554308396504/ Instagram: @thewholesomelotusfertility Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thewholesomelotus/ Disclaimer: The information shared on this podcast is for educational and informational purposes only and is not intended as medical advice. Please consult with your healthcare provider before making any changes to your health or fertility care. TWF_-_347_-_Leatitia_audio Michelle Oravitz: [00:00:00] Episode number 347 of the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. My guest today is Leticia Felix. Leticia is a fertility and pregnancy after loss coach and a mind body, soul practitioner who believes in the power of working with a woman as a whole. Leticia conceived naturally at 40 after a four year journey through adenomyosis low a MH, unexplained infertility. Multiple losses, including three ectopic pregnancies and her own healing journey. Now she supports women navigating the unexplained diagnosis as well as pregnancy after loss, helping them uncover subconscious, emotional and energetic blocks, process grief and reconnect with her bodies and intuition, with a deep belief in their connection between the physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual. Leticia blends somatic, energetic. And mindset based therapies to identify and release blocks at all levels. [00:01:00] Boosting fertility and bringing empowerment, clarity, calm, and trust to their journey. Welcome to the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. I'm Michelle, a fertility acupuncturist here to provide you with resources on how to create a wholesome approach to your fertility journey. Welcome to the podcast Leticia. Thank you so much, Michelle, for having me. I'm very honored. It's a pleasure having you, and I know you have like a really amazing story, long story, difficult story to tell on your own fertility journey, and I love hearing these stories, especially when it brings you to doing the work that you're doing today and helping so many other people. So I'd love for you to share your story and how you got through it and. [00:02:00] Eventually conceived and had your kids. Yeah. Leatitia Felix: Yeah. It'll be my pleasure to share. Well, basically it was a long journey, let's put it that way. It took me four years to conceive. I didn't have any idea that would take that long. I was on a pill for very long time, which looking back now, I know it was one of the, a big mistake because I then was diagnosed with Alysis. So that was, we are talking in my early thirties when I thought. Let's planning for what I knew I wanted all my life, which is having children. I didn't meet the right partner, my twenties, so you know, it's very common to start family around 30. So I thought, okay, let's stop the pill. But then as we know now, when you stop the pill, you realize after if you had issues, this is when it all comes. You know, times 4, 5, 10. Long story short, I did some tests. I had very painful, heavy periods. I did the test that told me I had adenomyosis, which is kind of. Sister of [00:03:00] endometriosis, they told me at that point that fertility could be an issue. They also gave me medication and I'm really not good with medication. I'm not good with all medical side of things. So anyway, I still took them, but then I thought, okay, I'm still gonna try and it might just not affect me. I dunno if that's what affected me, but that's just to give a bit of idea of what was in the background when I started. And then I just. For, you know, I didn't know anything about what conception. I mean, now I know how. It's so much more than just the sperm meat, the egg, and especially for any woman out there, you know, going through fertility issues, we know that it's, it's so much more complex. You need to create really the right environment. So I can talk about that after. But basically at the time I just thought, you know, I'll give you a try. And actually we get pregnant very easily within six months. So at that point I was 34 I think, or 35, and. Everything was [00:04:00] very happy days. You know, I made the special announcement to my partner on his birthday. Everything was amazing, but I suffered from my first ectopic pregnancy, so I found that maybe a week or two weeks after when I started to bleed and. That's when the story really started to get complicated. So altogether I had three ectopic throughout the four years and I had one early, early loss. So I won't go through all of them, but basically it's pretty much every year I had a loss. I, after the second loss, that's when I started to do all the tests. Mentioned also, the ectopic pregnancy is very dangerous, so. When it happened, thankfully I managed to keep my fallopian tubes, but I was treated with medication and that also had a knock on effect on my health, so as if it wasn't bad enough to have suffered a loss. Also, my health suffered. The medication is very, very strong, and I had to have two dosage, I think they call it. It's like a [00:05:00] chemo treatment, actually. It kills all your cells, so you can just imagine. And after that, the knock on effect was gut health issues, mental. I suppose anxiety, panic attacks, like mental issues. I also suffered like skin issues. I found that out. Michelle Oravitz: That's a very strong treatment. Yeah, Leatitia Felix: it's very strong. I mean, it depletes you from all your folates, you know, inside your body. But I don't think it's just that. I think it's so much more. If you imagine you kill all your good back, you know, you talk a lot about the gut health, so obviously. You know, it's got all this effect on your health, but also on your conception, on your fertility health. So it actually got worse. And then after my first loss or my second loss, the second was an early chemical pregnancy, that's when I started to really look into my symptoms and thought, okay, I started to look into neuropathy and acupuncture and to all the women out there, I can only highly recommend. I mean, it goes hand in hand to me the importance of [00:06:00] the gut health. And the overall health of your body, not just the supplement we take for fertility, but everything around the digestion, around the blood flow, all of that. So it really helped me, but clearly it wasn't enough because then I suffer another topic. And when I started do all the medical tests, you know, everything came back pretty normal, apart from the fact that they said my egg reserve was low. They said that I was approaching 40, so the only option for me would be IVF, and I have nothing against IVF. I just don't like how it's thrown at beyond the option without actually looking at anything else. They never said, oh, food is very important. You know, food, food is very like important into your fertility, your mental health, your emotions, your mindset, everything that I now know, none of, none of the doctors would talk about that. So I didn't go for IVF because. [00:07:00] It didn't feel right to me at the time. And also I was told that you had more chances of having ectopic. So I thought, well, you know, I don't see how, and you know, I think like you have to prepare yourself mentally to do that, and I, I thought it would be at some point, maybe a plan B, but I was really trying to find the root of the issues also. Although I was told it's unexplained, you know that, that big thing , But anyway, he didn't convince me at the time, so I was like, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Along with all the medication and everything to take I 4K. And also I didn't have any medical, you know, specific issue. I had an unexplained diagnosis, so to me, I felt that it was more to it, but that wasn't medical. But that's so Michelle Oravitz: strange too to me. Um, because you, you had adenomyosis. Leatitia Felix: Yes, I had that. Yeah. It is in inflammation. You're right. But when I did all the testing in terms of my hormones, my tubes tested, the egg reserve was low, but that's what they came, you know, they said, well, you can get pregnant. That was the answer [00:08:00] as well. Well, you can get pregnant as you got pregnant four times. Well, not four times. At the time it was twice, so there's no reason why you can't get pregnant. There's no nothing we can do for the ectopic. So let alone, when I had three, I was like, well, surely, and it's always been on the left side as well, when you look more on the spiritual side, you know, the feminine side. So I don't know if that's anything to do with that, but I obviously dig more into it. I also. Spoke to a baby spirit, you know, person that spoke to the baby spirit, and I learned so much more about the divine timing and things like that. Oh, Michelle Oravitz: so talk to us about all of it. Don't leave anything out because that's very interesting. Leatitia Felix: Well, when I went through those losses, I obviously, I did the physical side. All my symptoms were gone in terms of like my skin issue, my eczema, my asthma. That came out of nowhere. The digestion issue, all of that was cleared. So I was in a good place physically, but during that time, I also turned to angelic reiki. I came across the, you know, the universe. [00:09:00] Funny way of showing things. I kept hearing Raiki Raiki. I was like, what is Raiki? And long story short, I met my healer, neither I've known for over 10 years, who trained Evangelic Raiki, and I start looking into this. I always believe in something more than you know, the universe and all of the spiritual side. But that really like helped me as well to feel also, I lost my mom before I went through all of these fertility issues. So. Michelle Oravitz: Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Thank you. Leatitia Felix: So I felt like I had kind of a spiritual awakening at the time, and so when I turned to baby spirit, communi, I dunno how you call them, you know, I suppose Michelle Oravitz: spirit, baby. Yeah, yeah. Spirit, baby communication and medium. Yeah. Leatitia Felix: I dunno how you call them. Mediums, I suppose. Michelle Oravitz: Yeah. Leatitia Felix: It wasn't something that was woohoo for me. For me that was a normal, natural thing. I just wanted to know more. So I thought, is there any other way that I can actually understand what's coming up in terms of the baby spirits? So what I was told at the [00:10:00] time was that the first loss wasn't, the soul of the baby was never meant to come to earth. It was meant to help me grow spiritually and. So it was part of my path. Basically, it was growth and I suppose. With time as well. I realized that all this journey, although it's very hard to understand once you are in, it wasn't happening to me. It was happening for me in a way that helped me to understand about, you know, as I said, nutrition changed my way of doing my mindset. That changed how I learn about all the mindset stuff. So that was part of it. And then I also spoke to my daughter that. Now I have with me. And that was part of the losses as well. She said I wasn't ready yet. And also it was about her. She wasn't meant to come at a specific time and it was not yet her time, but it was, you know, reassurance within that for me because I was like, I'm not going crazy. I am gonna become a mom. My baby's out there. [00:11:00] It's just that, Michelle Oravitz: yeah, Leatitia Felix: when it happens, you've got so much fear and you're like, I've always known deep down I'm gonna be a mom. This is like something I've always. And also when I lost my mom, I was like, I need to have that bond with, I always believed that be having a daughter, a daughter as well. That's, you know, and. Like, I need to have that same bond I had with my mom and I, I just can't accept that I'm not gonna have one. It was so ingrained inside me. So when that happened, I thought, I'm not completely crazy then it is happening. It's just, I didn't understand why I had to go through all of that. And I guess it gave me some kind of, I can't say closure, but like explanation. Michelle Oravitz: Like hope also. Yeah. Leatitia Felix: Yeah. I wish I knew it before in a way. 'cause I was like, well when you are in that spiral you just, you know, my mistake going through all the F losses is that I never stopped. I always wanted to keep going. I'm kind of that person. I need to find solution, I need to keep going. [00:12:00] And so I never. Grieved, I suppose. I never, until I came to the fourth loss and that's when I think I had a moment where I thought, okay, I have to stop everything. So going through those losses, coming to the third ectopic, I remember being in that hospital. Corridor. And I was very lucky because those drugs only happen the first time. And then I know some women go from like CIB ruptures and they have to go for surgery and it can be very life threatening. So I'm very blessed that I didn't have that and my fallopian. Remained and I had to go through expectant management on the next ectopic, which means you let your body just process the loss and remove the pregnancy basically. But after the third one, the doctor in that hospital said. Okay, I've got a surgery in half an hour. Look his watch, let's go and remove your tube. And I was a bit shocked [00:13:00] because my hormone levels were really low. And so when it's that almost non-existent, you technically not in danger or anything, so you're supposed to do expectant management. So I was like, why do I have to do that? And his answer was very uncompassionate. Well, you've had free ectopic. How many more do you want? And I was, wow. Yeah. That was shocking to me. 'cause I was like, that's not really a way for me to convince me to do it, or even to show me compassion. I'm going through a loss. But he was exactly his words. I mean, it's stuck in my mind. And I said, listen, I've asked the question in a way I took back my control because I was giving my power away through all those years, and I was so happy to. Take back my control and say, listen, is my health in danger? Is any, you know, what are the reason for doing that? And he said, is to, to prevent another topic. And I'm like, okay, I need to take the night to think about this, which I did. And he said, well, we need to do it while you're [00:14:00] going through it because you, we can't remove your tube after. Again, I dunno if that's true, but that was the answer. Michelle Oravitz: That makes no sense to me. I know. That's crazy. Leatitia Felix: Me neither. But as it was really his answer, he said, we have to do it while you're going through the next few days. We can't do it whilst you don't have, you're not pregnant anymore. So I'm like, okay. Anyway, talked to work with my partner and I really followed my gut on that one. And this is what was the kind of the moment where I decided, okay, I need to trust myself again. And I decided not to do it. I said to my partner, maybe we'll talk about IVF. Maybe we'll do something else. But for now, I think we need to give it one more shot. And long story short, again, the following year. The exact same month and the exact same month, I felt naturally pregnant on the LE same tube that was going to be removed, which is my left tube. I didn't do anything else physically from the third ectopic to the natural pregnancy, except from [00:15:00] then working a lot on my mindset, on my energy, and on the. Emotion processing, which this is what I've learned and now I teach my clients. And so yeah, so after that, that loss and that talk with the doctor and not doing it, we decided to take a break. And that's what I mean by take back my power suppose and, and also just stopping the race. I felt like I was on a race on the. If forget marathon, it was like, you know, and I was, I was paralleling out of control in terms of who I was, in terms of like, well, social life didn't exist anymore. My partner, my relationship was going, uh. Just me being cry, either crying or being completely obsessive or, you know, just talk about, it was just all we talked about, as I'm sure a lot of women can relate, was conception and stress, and my body was in complete fear. Um, fight or flight mode, like [00:16:00] survival, basically. So I said, if we are gonna give you one more try, I wanna give it my best shot. And I can't carry on that way because if a novel loss happened, I dunno where I will be at that point. So we need to get back to ourselves, and that's what we did. Michelle Oravitz: Yeah. So that was when you took the year off and then you conceived naturally? Yes. Leatitia Felix: I mean it was always trying naturally anyway, but we took about. Mm-hmm. So I got pregnant in October and the loss, the previous loss was also October, so we started again in July. So I wouldn't say it was a year, but yeah, nine months approximately to completely switch off from conception. And I'm talking, not even trying, purposely, not talking about it, but back to the basics, which joy, connection, self-love, but also so much. Yes. Emotional processing because. You know when you stop and you're like, this is when everything comes back and you're [00:17:00] like, actually, I didn't stop. I didn't want to face those emotions and I didn't want to because if I would, I wouldn't be strong enough and I wouldn't be able to carry on. So I had to carry on. Yeah. But I've learned that it's not about not slowing down. It's not about. Affection or being strong, it's actually about processing as well. And let your body, your mind, process everything in order to be actually stronger in that sense. What I mean by strong is your body the best chance to thrive, you know? So. Michelle Oravitz: Yeah. The way I see it is we need to digest emotions just like we digest food. Yeah. Yeah. And if we don't fully digest it, it sits there. It really sits there and it drains our energy. Overall, how did you feel that it was a left side tube? Would, did you feel like ovulation on the left side? Month. Yeah, they told me. So every time before you can see. Yeah, Leatitia Felix: I do feel it, to be honest. Even to this day now for some reason it's something about the left [00:18:00] side that always ovulate and I do feel the sensation. But even though as you get, uh, yeah, they're able to say that every single time. So I would, once you have one ectopic, you have to go for your test, for your scan, interest. Scan around seven, eight weeks. And they're always able to say, you've ovulate, you've conceived from that side. So at that time I didn't always. That's fascinating. Yeah. I didn't always know at that time, I didn't always feel it. But now I must say I do feel the physical sensation of the left side, which is very funny. I dunno if there's a spiritual, there was another side to it, then why Is it always on the left or is it just I'm always ovulate on the left. Michelle Oravitz: Is that in energy? Which it seems kind of like a, sometimes the universe gives you hints and your body gives you hints on what it is that you need to focus on, and it really is symbolic. It's kind of like this reflection of what's happening not just in your body, but also your psyche. And I think it's just really [00:19:00] interesting. I always talk about how being in the fight or flight really shuts down creativity. Yeah. It shuts down regeneration. It shuts down joy. I mean, 'cause you can't afford to do anything. You're kind of on backup reserves and it's like, uh, everything has to shut down. Nothing else can matter at this moment. Yeah. And to have that state become chronic is extremely taxing on the body. Yeah. Leatitia Felix: And it's, I was very much in my masculine side, you know, having to be productive, having to tick off the box, what's next? What did I not try yet? What would the next thing I can try? You know that, that kind of mental state. Yeah. As well as the despair and the sadness and everything. But yeah, you're right, it's, it's then opened up so much for me. I. Don't get me wrong, it's not easy, but for me, Michelle Oravitz: yeah, Leatitia Felix: it's not, it's very, that's why people will actually sometime avoid it. But for me, feeling is part of healing. And if you don't [00:20:00] feel your emotions, I, I practice now, you know, EFT tapping, which helps me a lot. I mean, I've now trained into it and I. I was first skeptical. It's, it's one method. You know, it could work for some people in the sense that if you believe it, but for me it works a hundred percent with everyone I do it with. But what I like about it is that it gives you that space where you actually bring awareness to that emotion. You know, you can even talk to your emotions. Mm-hmm. You know, you see where. Left in your body and as it starts to shift, it moves from like getting, being in your chest to your throat or anywhere. And this is when you really, even client that don't especially know about it, they realize that it's all energy and it all really if you, if you, if you live it, as we said. It just will stay stuck in your body and it creates all kind of things. And also how much can you keep in as well? You know, eventually it's floating because it's too much that you've held in all this time. [00:21:00] You know, if you've got one loss, two loss, or any other traumatic experience. To be honest, I think for me, the key, it's very much to slow down and process. Take the time. Yeah. It's conflictual when it comes to conception, because we are in one side. Wanting to hurry and be pregnant and try again. But on the other side, funny enough, slowing down is beneficial for us. That's why I believe Michelle Oravitz: it anyway. It absolutely is. I think it's just beneficial overall. You know, you can kind of like take whatever it is and kind of insert, you know, the topic. And the topic can be many different things. And in this case we're talking about fertility. But yeah, I agree. There's many different topics. Sometimes it's relationships, sometimes. It's jobs or you know, obviously jobs are not as important, but sometimes it is relationship. I mean, when you're younger and you're trying to meet your partner, it could be also the center focus. Yeah. And so sometimes over trying can get in [00:22:00] the way of that flow and that natural. Ability to connect with or align with who is right for you. Yeah. So it's kind of like that flow in general in life. It blankets on everything. Yeah. Ultimately, and it's kind of like that trust and that knowing. 'cause as soon as we shut down, we also shut down our ability to connect with our wisdom and our inner guide. Yes. So that's incredibly important and it's a huge asset to the journey. Yeah, Leatitia Felix: for me, a hundred percent Matt, I mean, you know, you're speaking my mind, but it's that inner connection. That's one of the first thing I wanna teach the woman I speak to, but also that I went through myself and as you said. What I like about, in a way, and what I said earlier about this happening for me is because everything I've learned, you know, whether it is how I eat, whether it is what I put in my body, the way you nourish your mind and nourish your body with your faults, your belief, everything, [00:23:00] whether your energy, your processing emotion, all of that, it's for lifetime. You know, it's something that I've learned for everything, even as obviously as a mom as well as we know motherhood is another story, but it's like it's for everything. And that's why I want to teach my child as well. You know, we don't learn about mindset or emotions about nervous system. Maybe we learn in some places, but I've not learned that. That's cool. So it's a lifetime thing. And that inner wisdom, it's definitely also something, I mean. I haven't talked about that, but also worked with my womb during that time. Those nine months reconnected to my womb. Michelle Oravitz: So interesting that you took nine months off. Uh, Leatitia Felix: yeah, isn't it now? Actually, I never thought about that. So many little signs. But yeah, the womb Michelle Oravitz: healing's like a rebirthing of your own energy. Yeah. Leatitia Felix: Yeah, it is. And the womb healing was also very powerful. I mean, as women, we store so much. Emotion, [00:24:00] trauma and even ancestral things inside our womb. And that healing process was very transformative as well. Very powerful. So yeah. But coming back to what you said, the inner wisdom, we get so much information out there, don't we, in terms of fertility. I know it applies to everything, but in this case we're talking about that. So like, do this, do that, try this. And we all are unique. It is no one size fits all. So if you don't come back to inner wisdom, then you just, in a way. I dunno what's right for you, but when you come back to your inner knowing your power, you will know your gut. Feeling that soul telling you what is that is right for you, your inner, your own soul, basically your higher self or however you want to call it. But for me, that's how I call it. That's where it should even start. Right? And that's what, you know, when I realized and when I got pregnant a year later and I, from that same tube, I was like, oh my God, I should never [00:25:00] really ever. Doubt my gut feeling. Yeah. I know the fear and everything else or the noise around us can cause to doubt it. And the fear specifically, I think the fear is, is very something that can do that. But it's about teaching our stuff to go back within, isn't it? And that it's so important, the inner wisdom. Because then you can filter. It really is, you don't have to try the whole everything single thing in the world. You try what your own body needs or what it is that you need right now. Michelle Oravitz: Well, I, I always say this is kind of like something that I've always felt, and it's kind of, I guess like something that I find myself repeating is that all roads lead to the light. And sometimes we can do a huge detour and resist, resist, resist, and we're just gonna push back. That road. Yeah. That leads to the light. I look at the vessels, the blood vessels, all of them lead to the heart eventually. Yeah, it all leads the blood back to the heart. Some of them are further out and some of 'em are more direct, and [00:26:00] it's the same kind of thing with us. I love that. I think that, I think our bodies are such a great reflection of just our lives and how things work, and we can either flow with it and allow it. Relax into it, and then that will actually get us there faster, or we can fight it and slow it down, and that will take a little longer, but it'll eventually still lead to our personal growth and our journey. Yeah, and ultimately, like our dreams or our calling, I call it a calling because it's something that you are called to do and you know that it's there. And you had mentioned before, which I thought was really powerful, that you knew you were meant to be a mother. You felt it. And I don't think that feeling is a random thing. I think it's there for a reason. I think that that is your highest self. Pointing you to a way that you're actually meant to go. Yeah. Leatitia Felix: Not a hundred percent believe. And you know what? When, and then I start connecting with my daughter way before she [00:27:00] was born. It's incredible because it, it just proved to me that it was real, you know? Yeah. That gut feeling, that knowing I would be a mom. I was more than just wishing. Honestly, this was ingrained inside me from a long time ago. The fact that I always, even like I used to tell my, I used to tell my friend, I'm gonna have a daughter first. I don't know why, don't ask me. But I know, and I still think now I'm 45 and I still think I'm gonna have a boy coming up and I'm putting everything in place for him to come. But I've been connecting with my daughter before that. And the funny thing is. Children these days are very, very open. And believe it or not, she told me one day when she was three or four, she described me exactly when we used to meet in my meditation and I used to connect with her as a baby soul and it was her with a little boy. I always visualize them two together. And so I, I used to go always in that safe space and I learned how to connect with the baby spirits, basically. But the funny thing was one day she sat at the table. You remember mommy? When [00:28:00] we used to go on that swing with my baby brother? Michelle Oravitz: Oh my God, I got the chills and I Leatitia Felix: was like. Like what? You went to the nursery? Did you have a friend or something? You know, I tried every angle that she could mean, you know, and she was speaking well, it's just that I was like, I don't understand what she's saying 'cause you can't be that. And she described it so much. And then I said, but you don't have a. You don't have a younger brother? And she said, but it was, and then I said, well, was daddy with us? No, it was just us three, you remember? But yeah, it was crazy. And then she said it was a dream. Mommy, you remember a dream? And then she start talking about something random and completely switched the conversation. And I was like, hold on, hold on. Can we go back to this? And Michelle Oravitz: she was so Leatitia Felix: like open. And she also said randomly one day to us, to me and my partner, she said, I'm the one who choose you as my parents. Michelle Oravitz: Wow. And you Leatitia Felix: know when it's not something that you have taught her or [00:29:00] you've taught her, you, you know, how does she come up with this stuff? It's crazy to me. It's not crazy because I believe it, but it's just confirming what you know. But it's kind of weird to hear it from the child's per, you know, mouth. And it's like, wow. Michelle Oravitz: Because you usually know it on a very innate personal sense. It's more of a sense. You usually don't see it. Kind of in the material world as much. It's like, you know, sometimes the knowing can be something that is there but is not typically in our world seen Yes. Right there in front of us. Which is Leatitia Felix: incredible to see it, isn't it? To hear it and to be having that confirmation. Yeah. But yeah, just to say that, that is very real too. And as much as we know conception. So much more than, as we said, you know, the sperm media egg. There's so many different aspects, the right environment for your mind, for your body and everything. But it's also about divine timing and it's also about the journey of your own soul journey of your partner. It's, it's souls involved in this process. Yes. [00:30:00] So we have to remember that it's not just us as well. Yeah. Yeah. Michelle Oravitz: It's too sacred for a checklist, you know? And I think that it, it's become such a checklist, but it's too sacred. Yes. It has to have another element added and sprinkled in to the journey. Yeah. Than just the physical, like what to eat with. You know? It's the same thing when you're together with a partner that you love and if you make it a checklist to the finish line and you're not spending time with a romance, the energy, that connection mm-hmm. And making it all physical. Uh, to me it's just another example of that. Leatitia Felix: Yeah, no, I agree. It's a whole holistic and that's how the best way Yeah. Holistic process in every sense of the term and, yeah. I think it's important to remember that, but also to give ourself compassion. 'cause we know as a woman, we just blame ourselves so [00:31:00] much, what we're doing wrong, what we didn't do right, what's happened. But yeah, it's about also coming back to self-love, compassion, and understanding. There's more to it than just what know we can do things, of course, and we, I also hate the fact that it becomes very medical. As soon as you have this diagnosis, it becomes very medical and you forget about. You don't forget, but you are not really, um, told about the holistic part of it. Yeah. You get lost into that process sometimes, so I think that's why, for me, I also created what I've created to help other women because I want them to come back to themself. It is fertility of course, and we want to get ultimately to, for them to get pregnant and keep the pregnancy, but it's also about coming back to themself. And even if you are doing medical, it's not, by not doing IVF or not doing medical, they absolutely understand that you have to do it. Sometimes you can combine both. Michelle Oravitz: Yes, a hundred percent. I say the same thing. You can prepare [00:32:00] the, and the medical's there. It's amazing. It could be a miraculous to have the medical aspect there. Leatitia Felix: Yeah, you can prepare. You know, it's about preparing the soul, isn't it? The environment for your pregnancy to thrive. Michelle Oravitz: You could work 'em both. Leatitia Felix: Sorry. Michelle Oravitz: To support one another. Yeah, a hundred percent. Leatitia Felix: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And it's about, so for me, yeah, it's whether you try naturally or medically, it's about coming also back to everything. The holistic process. Michelle Oravitz: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I find it really interesting that you talked about meditation, how that ultimately is how you connected with your daughter. Yeah. It's through meditation. We cannot connect like effectively with our higher selves without getting quiet. We need to get quiet in order to do that because our highest selves are not gonna be found outside of us. No, Leatitia Felix: exactly. Michelle Oravitz: And we're always gonna be distracted when we're focused on [00:33:00] the outside and sometimes kind of leaving that, even if it's for five, 10 minutes. Preferably 20 and connecting inwards, that's when you can really connect. Interestingly enough, I believe that I manifested a lot of my life and there were things that I manifested that were like pretty insane. Even my husband, I described him and a month later I met him. Wow. Described his personality and I told people about it and a lot of people did the same thing and they're like, it's not working for me. And then I look back and I finally realized. The secret ingredient that I sprinkled in at the time, which is I started meditating around that time. What I think happens is you meditation can prime your nervous system, which is really a system of information. Mm-hmm. And connection. Yeah. And information to and from, from within you out to the universe, from a universe out inside to you through wisdom, guidance, alignment, [00:34:00] and. It's not easy to manifest if you're not in that state of alignment and your nervous system is not receptive. This kind of highway of information is not receptive and primed in a balanced state. When you talked about how you connected with your daughter, it was like you went into meditation. People talk about downloads all the time, like that's when you're opening yourself or giving yourself that opportunity. To connect. With this divine energy. Yeah, Leatitia Felix: a hundred percent. And I agree with you. For me, visualization is a big part of what I do for myself, for the woman I help. And I actually read a book, I'm reading a book about visualize, it's called visualization, and I love it. I'm always been about law of attraction and, and, and all of that manifestation. It says in that book exactly what you've said. If you've got a busy mind, it doesn't mean that you, you can't have thoughts, but it's about calm another system first. So [00:35:00] breathing meditation, you know, and just stop for a second. Just go inwards. I think actually even sometime when you stop as well, you also have the emotion healing, isn't it? I, I couldn't be processing emotion if I'm just going around and doing all those things and be like. So, no, you've gotta stop The same thing for visualization of meditation. Like when I, I was doing the connection absolutely right. First, I would always count my nervous system, breathe, be in the moment. Because if you could be on the, on high alerts, you know, on thing, it's very hard. My connection wouldn't work. I couldn't visualize anything. Yeah. It just doesn't work for me. But visualization, it's, it's, I mean, it's a whole different again, thing, but it's so powerful. For me, I do hypnosis as well, and I think it helps as well the mind to settle, but it's very powerful. You know, the brain as you know, it doesn't know what's real and what's not real, so the more you feed, I've manifested the [00:36:00] same as you said about your partner. I did the same with mind, and I believe I manifested so much in my life, but I know it's not always easy. I'm not saying it's easy. You know, when you go through that. Time of doubts and also all the noise, everything that you're being told. And I think that's why it's so important to, you know, for me, when I, I, I talk about mindset. It's not about being positive. It's not about not being stressed, it's not about being perfect. You can neither be, you can't do any, none of that. It's okay to be stressed and it's normal, it's human affection doesn't exist, but it's about. Getting the right tool to learn. You know, learning how to treat your mind, but also nourish your faults. So it's about negative thoughts are gonna happen, but what can you do to introduce new faults? What can you do to be more in control of those force and actually reframe some of them? You [00:37:00] know, I think that's very important, but. Yeah, I'm saying that because we talk about, yeah, it's all good to say, oh yeah, do that, do that. Visualize and that, and of course you're gonna have those emotional, crazy moments. It's all gonna happen, but you can, if you allow time each day, you know, okay, let's do this strategy where you are not gonna think about. The worst thing that can happen, just focus on visualizing, breathing, calming the nervous system. Allow maybe even, even if it's 15 minutes a day, just for this 15 minutes to try to raise your vibration and be like. What can I do that actually shifts my mood today? Is it listening to my best soundtrack? Is it going in nature? So it's about leaving space in a day to actually not do the same thing over and over again, which is thinking or even like go on Facebook or somewhere and, and just. Look at the worst story that can happen because actually it fits your mind with all those things. [00:38:00] And then, yeah, that is also mindset, bad nourishment, if I can call it that way. I dunno if I make myself here, but Yeah. Michelle Oravitz: Yeah. And it is, I find sometimes it could be a difficult topic to talk about because it is so abstract. And words are a little more analytical, so to try to bridge that. A lot of times when people have mystical experiences, one of the most frustration that they like coming across is that they can't get an out. Clearly they can't verbalize it, that these experiences are so vast that it's hard to really describe, but. I think that that's why it's so important to really sit there and become with it and like kind of be with it and feel it and experience it. I find for me what's always worked is really non-resistance. Even things that happen that you don't like to just be with it and to look at it in a more neutral light because it's true. Many teachers have have said this, that [00:39:00] most events in life are actually more neutral than we make them to be because we. Assign meaning to things. Mm. Yeah. And that's why you'll find 10 different people and you'll find 10 different meanings to the same exact circumstance. Mm-hmm. Leatitia Felix: Yeah. No, I agree. Yeah. It's such a complex journey, but I think it's, um, you know, it really all helps, but it is one step at a time as well, you know? Yeah. And, uh, what I don't like as well is that when we talk about mindset or when we talk about mindset with fertility, it's often, um, talk about like, oh, you have to be positive, or it's not really explained in that way. That why is it actually that book? Visualize, they talk about mindset and they said, we talk about and looking after our body, but the mind is half of our health, so why are we not really looking into it and caring for it as much? But I think. When it comes to fertility for me mindset, just [00:40:00] wanna say that it's not just being positive, it's about, it's the lens for which we see our reality. And the way we fit it is like our belief. It's like our stories, our experience, it's our identity, it's the values, it's the thoughts that we do. That's the behaviors. It's all linked, isn't it? The way you think, the way you feel, the way you act, the behavior. So yeah, for me it's so important to look at that as well and to not think, it's not just about being positive or anything like that. So nothing thing I've learned. Yeah, and Michelle Oravitz: I think processing emotions means you have to validate your emotions and kind of validate your experience in that moment. And so allowing that I think is, is a huge. Part of the process. Leatitia Felix: Yeah. Yeah, it definitely is. I didn't talk about acupuncture as well. I know you do acupuncture. I, that's also something that I thought was very helpful for me. But yeah, if I can [00:41:00] advise anything, I would say definitely start going back within and allow some time. To go back within and just calm the nervous system. And you know, it's not just one size fits all. It's about what is right for you. When I work with my clients, it's always tailored to the person. Some person might hate journaling, some person actually not good at doing hypnosis for too long. Some person are not good at visualizing. So it's really about what works for you to really help your nervous system and your mindset and the way you are gonna show up every day. Michelle Oravitz: Absolutely. So if people are hearing this and they wanna find you, how can they find you? Leatitia Felix: Yeah, so they can email me. Sure. You would leave my, you probably leave my details there. So I, I, yes. All Michelle Oravitz: your information's gonna be in the episode notes. Leatitia Felix: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, its mindset, body and soul mindset, body and soul for the Instagram. So, uh, you can contact me on Instagram. You can check my website Also. I have [00:42:00] three discovery call. Happy to discuss. See how I can help, see if we fit. Of course, these a two-way street. See if anything that I say resonates, I help women that basically, I mean, usually women, either they try everything and medically nothing is wrong. So it's an explain a lot of times and they want to see what else they can do. So we really go with the whole part. So I always advise for the body. Side of it, which means the nourishment, the gut health, the acupuncture, you know, this is something that would always advise, that's not my spec specialty, but what I do is I make sure that we treat everything in the body and we look at the mindset, we look at the emotion, we look at the inner child, we look at the energy, we look at the healing, and we really look at self-love, compassion, and all of that. So. I help women, I do bundles, I do longer programs, and, uh, it's also very close to my heart to help women after loss. So I have also [00:43:00] a program after loss and also pregnancy. Once you've had loss of pregnancy, after loss of pregnancy, after birth, trauma, there's also something like that. So, but yeah, happy to go on the discovery call and Michelle Oravitz: answer any questions. Wonderful. Leticia, this is a great conversation and thank you so much for sharing your journey and really sharing your wisdom and all of the wisdom that you've accumulated throughout this journey. It's my pleasure. So thank you so much. May. Thank you so much. So that concludes today's episode. You can find all of the links mentioned on the episode notes. If you're enjoying these episodes, please take a moment to share and leave a review. Reviews mean everything to podcasters and I really enjoy hearing from my listeners. You can find me on my [email protected]. You could also reach out to me on Instagram, and I love getting dms from my listeners. My handle is at the wholesome [00:44:00] Lotus Fertility. I thank you so much for tuning in today, and I hope you have a beautiful day.