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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
This is Women Road Warriors with Shelly Johnson and Kathy Takaro from the corporate office to the cab of a truck. They're here to inspire and empower women in all professions. So gear down, sit back and enjoy. Welcome. We're an award-winning show dedicated to empowering women in every profession through inspiring stories and expert insights. No topic is off limits on our show.
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And I'm Kathy.
When life hurls a tornado your way, wouldn't it be nice to have someone who can guide you through the turbulence that knock you off your square? Lisa Sander does just that.
As a transformation coach, she supports individuals, couples, and families navigate grief, major life transitions, the challenges of blended families, and divorce with emotional healing through faith-led guidance and a heart-centered conversation. She also helps women who are struggling with midlife issues. She helps them seek clarity, confidence, and a renewed purpose.
After decades of working with patients as a nurse in a hospital setting, Lisa had a divine calling to help others reconnect with themselves, their loved ones, and God. She's known for her signature healing chair talk. where she helps people have emotional breakthroughs, where she creates safe, sacred spaces, where people can feel seen and heard.
Kathy and I wanted to learn more, so we invited her on the show. Welcome, Lisa. Thank you for being with us today.
Thank you so much. I am super excited to be with you, Shelly and Kathy. I appreciate you having me on here, and I'm excited to talk about good topics today for a lot of people.
Oh, absolutely. All of them are, actually. You know, Lisa, you being a nurse, as Kathy was in her previous career, I imagine you saw a lot of things. Nurses are the most compassionate people with all the caregiving they do, and they don't get enough credit. Did that kind of guide you in the path you've taken today? And what's your background so our listeners can get to know you a little better?
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Chapter 2: What personal experiences led Lisa Sander to transformation coaching?
Right?
Yeah, it's what society puts in our heads, the big 5-0, right? Right.
You know, what really changed me was COVID. As a nurse, I can't tell you how many people that our team did CPR on, watch die daily, and changing what we did every day as science changed everything. It was go in, you would work 16 hours. It wasn't about the money anymore. It was about that patients needed nurses at their side.
Besides our own nurses calling in sick due to getting COVID or their family members dying from COVID. So we worked short a lot at the hospital I work at and many other hospitals. All the nurses that we'd raise our hand with, they'd be like, we're eight nurses short tonight. Who's going to stay? And we would all grab each other's hand and be like, we're all going to stay.
We're going to do this together. And it wasn't about the money. It was about saving lives.
That's why nurses are such angels. There is no doubt about it. Healthcare workers did miracles during COVID. I think that that was the first time people really had an eye-opening experience to really appreciate what healthcare workers do and the kind of risks they take. I mean, we didn't know what we were dealing with. You were walking into uncharted territory.
You didn't know if you were going to bring that home to your families. I mean, it had to have been scary along with everything else.
It was scary. I would change in the garage and my former spouse at the time would have a robe waiting for me. And I would put my clothes in a bag and get in a robe and then go upstairs, shower, put my clothes in the wash right away. Yeah, it was very scary. And it was exhausting. The only thing I was happy about is that there was nothing on TV.
So we literally would start hanging out together as a family and communicating more. And this is where my life, I had my aha moment too. All the years that I've worked with people, I've always asked the question before dying, like if there's one thing you could ever change, what would that be? And they said, travel in your 40s.
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Chapter 3: What is Healing Chair Talk and how does it empower individuals?
I've been hearing this for years. I am done doing this ever. and not taking my vacation hours to actually go and experience life. So I started doing that. I climbed my first mountain during COVID in Arizona. I climbed Flatiron. My girlfriends didn't tell me about this mountain. And I'm glad they didn't because I wouldn't have climbed it. It took us five hours.
And the things that I went through on the way up, I laughed so hard, I almost peed my pants. I cried. I talked to God. Every emotion and grieving about life and everything was in that mountain that I climbed. There was even a moment, it's not a mountain that you have a lot of travelers on. And my girlfriends went up ahead of me and I heard them yelling that we'll wait for you up here.
Well, I got to this point and I did not know where to put my feet. I'm like, I don't think, I don't know if I'm gonna be able to do this. And out of nowhere, this guy comes out and he puts his hand down. He goes, do you want me to help you place your feet? I didn't even have to say anything to him. And I said, yes, I really appreciate that. He got me up to that next section. And he was gone.
And I thanked him, but it was kind of like a whisper or like an angel. God just showed this person to me to help me guide my steps. And I did talk to God on the whole way up there and on the way down because it was scary coming down also. And after that, my life changed completely.
Wow.
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Chapter 4: How can women navigate grief and divorce effectively?
Yeah, I'm looking at Flatiron Mountain. The round trip distance is 6.7 miles. It's known for its steep inclines and scrambling sections. It's very, very challenging. Wow. Was that the first mountain you'd ever climbed?
We did Camelback the day before. So I had a little practice, but Camelback was my first mountain. Flatiron was my second mountain ever. And I wasn't even at my fittest. I've always worked out my entire life. So I don't know if I'll ever say that I'm at my, if I'm at my most fit I've ever been. And I, and I deal with asthma too.
And the strength that came over me and the empowerment, when I got to that top of that mountain, I looked down and I'm like, if I can do this, I can do anything. Just like when I became a nurse, I said, if I can get through this schooling, I can do anything. And the mountain showed me so much clarity. When I got back to work after that, I feel as though I became a better leader.
I had tough conversations, which I had to with patients' families and patients and nurses more than usual. I was able to lead with less fear. I was able to be my authentic self. I was able to make a choice, fortunately, unfortunately, to get a divorce. I was doing the same pattern in life and working and protecting and providing my family. And I'm like, what am I doing this all for?
And then I've made some drastic changes. And now I look where I'm at. I can't tell you how many places I've traveled. And I just had my first speaking moment in front of about 45 women in Utah at the HER. It's called the HER conference. And it felt so good. And I've been coaching women now. And my life is amazing.
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Chapter 5: How does midlife transition impact women's sense of purpose?
And that's really hard at our age also. But those small changes can make big changes. And I have set myself in different groups of people traveling and doing podcasts and speaking to people. I have met so many new people. And instead of me inspiring others, I have other people inspiring me. Yeah.
You know, when when I was nursing, I remember as a young young nurse looking at all these people and helping doing like you said, doing CPR and being with people at their deathbeds and looking at them and how they're filled with regrets of how their priorities in life are wrong, that, you know, they didn't love enough or they didn't travel enough or they didn't forgive.
They still had family grudges going on or arguments. And now it was too late. They were or people were working too much and didn't spend enough time with their families or whatever. And I remember spending a lot of time with a lot of people at their final stages and thinking, I am not going to live my life like this. I am not going to get to the end and be filled with regrets. I am going to live.
Lo and behold, I have kept true to my word that I have done like you, like you say, changed my environment, changed my experiences. People say, oh, you're so lucky. I'm like, no, I'm not. I create my opportunities. I put myself in a position where, hey, this can happen and this can happen and this can happen. I don't just sit on the couch waiting for, you know, God to save me.
I go out and I do God's work. listening, keeping myself open enough to be that vehicle so that I can follow through to go where I need to be. And it has changed drastically, not only my life, but the lives of everyone that I encounter. And so thank you for everything that you've done because it's exactly, I think, you're like the epitome of hope.
Yeah.
So thank you. Thank you. And thank you for all you have done in your nursing time also. I also tell people, you know, like women, like, thank you, Shelly and Kathy, like women need to rise each other up and clap for each other and hold each other accountable. like there is enough for everyone to do anything they want.
Like if we're doing podcasts, I have a podcast, our healer, our protector, it's a Christian podcast for divorce people. I just want people to know that. I mean, I'm a Christian. I never thought I was going to get a divorce. I never wanted to make that choice. Um, That was hard internally for me because that's not what we do. I still have parents that are married.
I only have one aunt and uncle on both sides that got a divorce. I'm the oldest grandchild, like all this pressure, right? It's okay to be different. It's okay to make changes. That's why I do my podcast. Shelly and Kathy, you have an amazing podcast. There's millions of people out there. Whatever podcast is best for someone and speaks to them, there's enough room for everyone.
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Chapter 6: What practical tools can help build confidence and clarity?
to show grace and they showed up today and they don't like the rudeness that our culture thinks it's okay to be rude. And now that I'm older too, I'm like, that could be my kid working. And just be respectful, be kind, say nice words.
Your whole transition in life, and if you look at life differently in the lens of when people are out there working, they showed up today to serve me and make it convenient for me to go out to eat, to go shopping. And some of them don't make a lot of money. So be the light so they want to come back to work the next day. So we don't have everyone quitting their jobs.
We have become so self-centered with the social media. I really do think in the past 15 years anyway, we've been, it's all about me, me, me, impatient. I want the gratification. Right now, there is, it's a mean, a meanness, a very self-centered, narcissistic approach to life that people are having. And to be kind to others, that's the way it's supposed to be.
I mean, what happened to the golden rule? Treat others as you would want to be treated? Is that even happening today?
I don't know. Sorry, now it's because do unto others and split. Yeah.
Right? Well, that's why I say, like, still hang on to your family members. Like, yes, we're talking the worst of worst circumstances. Yes, let your family members going. But just the little irritations that you get from each other. And my other thing is, like Mel Robbins say, like, let them. I just did it for Thanksgiving. Believe me.
There's some stuff that came out of some family members' mouths. And I'm like, you know what? I don't have control over that. And I'm just going to like, damn, I'm not even going to say anything. Like, it makes life so much less irritable. And I find things more funny now. And I'll just kind of laugh. Yes, we don't give each other enough grace. And we're not perfect either.
I mean, I'm sure not everything I say or do someone's happy about. I just try to make sure kind words come out. embrace people how they are. And it's not like we're spending hours every day with these people. So I appreciate that my parents are still alive. I appreciate that my kids show up for Thanksgiving. And, yeah, and my sister and brother-in-law made dinner for us.
Like, I appreciate all that. So we'll take the irritable things every once in a while, but I've just been looking at it different, and it's less irritation, knowing that I don't have control.
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Chapter 7: How can faith guide emotional healing during tough times?
I want to give it to them. And she's like, well, Lisa, it was nice knowing you. I'm like, no, we're going to be okay. Okay. We rolled down the window, and I told the man, I said, we have two lunches, one for the lady behind you and one for you. And the first thing he said to me was, God bless you. And he didn't have any teeth, and his hair was all, he was dirty.
And for him to say, God bless you, I was like, no, God bless you. I wish I would have. I would have given him a hug. But we were on the side of a busy road. But that filled my heart. So I told Ryan, if we ever travel and get our own food, we are never throwing it out. We are going to go. That was like the best thing that day. And it filled my heart. And then we had a bunch of extra water.
So we went and stopped and we gave a group of homeless people. We handed out waters to them. And a lot of them said, God bless you and thank you. Wow.
Oh, I started Operation Hydration in 2014. Once I got this job where, because I was homeless for a week during my nursing transition and here and doing this job. And I realized back then that the homeless don't have access to water. So when I got this job, I went looking for this man, Toothless Joe, who was a big part of my story. But anyway, and it was because I was sitting there.
It was really hot, like 40 degrees Fahrenheit. And I realized, oh, my God, this message actually came through me on the inner said they are thirsty. And I'm like, which is the homeless. I'm like, oh, my God. So I ran and I got seven cases of water. I got some coolers. I got some ice. And I started driving around the back alleys and handing out water. I was with my daughter.
She named it Operation Hydration. And people, once they knew I was giving out cold water on this hot day, they were running to my vehicle. And I mean, lineups of people. And it hit me so hard. I'm like, oh, my gosh. So and the gratitude. I mean, they're taking my ice. They're taking me. I'm filling up their containers with all the melted ice.
So I started doing that operation hydration in every single city I go to. And especially when I go to Vegas and Houston where it's really hot. I'll buy those White Castle little burgers that are like, what, 50 cents a burger or a dollar a burger. I'll buy like 50 to 100 of them and I'll give out a burger and a water. And I remember I was in Houston and I had just driven from California.
with my jeep and I'm handing out water and I have these big stickers on my magnets on my on my jeep that say operation hydration free water so people know what I'm doing and this man comes around he sees my California plates he was so grateful for the water he says oh you're my angel that drove all the way from California just to give me water god bless you so much
I love that.
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