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Trump Hits Iran’s Trading Partners With 25% Tariff

13 Jan 2026

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Chapter 1: What are President Trump's options for responding to protests in Iran?

2.292 - 21.392 Luke Vargas

Tehran offers nuclear talks with Washington, but President Trump leans towards strikes ahead of a briefing on U.S. options for Iran. Plus, Minnesota sues the Trump administration over its immigration tactics, and data centers push power grids to their limit with no end to construction in sight.

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21.933 - 26.798 John Medina

Pretty much every market we're seeing is double-digit growth across the board.

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26.778 - 46.27 Luke Vargas

It's Tuesday, January 13th. I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal, and here is the AM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories moving your world today. President Trump is set to meet with senior officials today as he weighs how to respond to anti-regime protests in Iran.

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46.79 - 63.673 Luke Vargas

We report that the White House is considering a last-ditch offer from Iran to resume nuclear talks, an option backed by Vice President J.D. Vance, while Trump is leaning toward military strikes. Other options include launching cyber attacks or boosting anti-regime accounts online.

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Chapter 2: How will the new U.S. tariffs affect Iran's trading partners?

64.254 - 85.024 Luke Vargas

But the U.S. didn't wait for today's meeting to dial up the pressure on Tehran. Yesterday, Trump okayed 25 percent tariffs on countries that do business with Iran. Journal reporter Gavin Bade told us that Turkey, India, Pakistan, and Armenia could be hard hit by those tariffs. But it is China, Iran's top trading partner, that could be most affected.

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85.444 - 111.518 Gavin Bade

The U.S. and China are supposedly in a trade truce right now after a meeting last October between President Trump and Xi Jinping where they agreed to keep the trade war to a dull roar for the next few months in anticipation of a leaders' summit this spring. One would assume if the Trump administration increases tariffs on China by 25%, that could put that summit at risk coming this spring.

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111.798 - 126.158 Gavin Bade

The other question is about what legal authority would underpin this tariff threat. Typically, when Trump has threatened tariffs like this before, he has used the emergency powers under a law called IEPA, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act.

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Chapter 3: What legal authority supports Trump's tariff threats against China?

126.138 - 144.298 Gavin Bade

The catch here is that the Supreme Court is about to rule whether Trump's use of IEPA is legal or not. That could happen as soon as Wednesday. So you could see him issuing or threatening these tariffs under IEPA and then the Supreme Court coming back literally a day later and saying you're not allowed to do that.

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144.278 - 167.383 Luke Vargas

Back in Iran, we report that a battle over information is intensifying, with Tehran dialing up efforts to jam Elon Musk's Starlink satellite internet service and hunt down users. Iranians have leaned heavily on the service, including to share videos of protests after the government throttled phone services and shut down most internet connections for the country's 90 million inhabitants last week.

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Minnesota is suing U.S. immigration officials in a bid to end what it calls an unlawful surge of federal agents in the state. The suit, which names agencies including ICE and U.S. Customs and Border Protection, as well as top officials including Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem,

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alleges that agents have acted illegally while carrying out operations, sparking fear and distress among residents. It also argues that the administration is using a sprawling welfare fraud scandal in the state as a pretext for the president to retaliate against his political opponents and sow discord in left-leaning cities. Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison.

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207.663 - 220.796 Keith Ellison

The deployment of thousands of armed mass DHS agents to Minnesota has done our state serious harm. This is, in essence, a federal invasion of the Twin Cities and Minnesota, and it must stop.

221.236 - 231.653 Luke Vargas

Speaking on Fox News, Acting ICE Director Todd Lyons defended his agency, saying it was carrying out its lawful law enforcement mission and justified its deployment to the state.

231.673 - 239.305 Todd Lyons

You know, we only are increasing our numbers because ICE agents are getting attacked due to the lax policies that Minnesota has.

239.335 - 264.595 Luke Vargas

The Minnesota suit follows similar efforts to rein in ice in other states, including Illinois, California, New York, New Jersey, and Tennessee. It's earnings season again, at least for banks. Investors will be scouring JPMorgan Chase's Q4 results this morning for clues about American consumer health, with December's inflation report filling in more details at 8.30 a.m. Eastern.

Chapter 4: How is the Iranian government responding to internet restrictions?

265.216 - 283.417 Luke Vargas

Economists polled by the journal expect consumer prices rose 2.7 percent from a year earlier. Pharmaceutical company AbbVie has struck a deal with the Trump administration in exchange for tariff and pricing exemptions. AbbVie plans to lower Medicaid prices, invest $100 billion in its U.S.

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operations, and expand the range of medicines it offers directly to patients through the government portal TrumpRx. Work on a major wind farm off the coast of Rhode Island and Connecticut can now resume, despite objections from the Trump administration.

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298.376 - 317.638 Luke Vargas

The ruling from a federal judge marks a temporary win for the offshore wind industry, as President Trump seeks to block any windmills from being built. The case is the first of three challenging the administration this week, following Trump's order in December to freeze five big projects on the East Coast over national security concerns.

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And the AI boom is pushing America's largest power grid to the brink. 67 million people in a 13-state region stretching from New Jersey to Kentucky share their power supply with a slew of AI data centers in northern Virginia.

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During periods of high demand, the grid's capacity is in danger of exceeding supply, which could force grid operator PGM to call for rolling blackouts during extreme weather. Well, if grids are struggling now, how will they cope with the projected $3 trillion in global data center spending over the next five years?

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Moody's Ratings' John Medina joins us to discuss the challenges and opportunities of the data center build-out after the break. Some of the AI boom's big winners so far, besides members of the MAG7, have been the developers and operators of data centers. But could regulations, power demand issues, and water use fears crash the party?

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Ratings agency Moody's just published its 2026 Global Data Center Outlook, and SVP for Global Project and Infrastructure Finance John Medina is here to enlighten us. John, it doesn't sound like this big infrastructure scale-up is ending anytime soon.

395.943 - 404.234 Luke Vargas

Far from it, with this report highlighting that there are actually a bunch of data centers soon to be coming online that could potentially fuel more growth. Talk us through this.

404.635 - 412.425 John Medina

We are adjusting our forecast to look at the International Energy Agency forecast. We actually think our internal forecast aligns more with theirs.

Chapter 5: What is Minnesota's lawsuit against the Trump administration about?

496.24 - 514.443 John Medina

Even if they may not use it in the first few years, they're still on the hook to pay for it. So I think we're going through what could be considered a rational bubble, meaning we need all this growth. And it's hard to predict what exactly the demand will be because a new model comes out tomorrow, creates a new product. boom, everybody uses it, right?

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514.723 - 531.267 John Medina

There's a lot of new services that you're actually seeing a greater focus like in China, more on the inference, more on the use of the AI models. Whereas here often in North America, we're looking at building, getting to that generative AI, building the best models possible and sort of use cases are going kind of at the same time.

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531.708 - 542.143 John Medina

So the question of overcapacity, no one's really gonna know for several more years because everything that's opening is really being used because right now we have a backlog of need for computing.

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542.123 - 560.183 Luke Vargas

It sounds like based on your report, another potential risk here is local pushback, resistance in various communities to new and existing projects, which would then in turn trigger regulation. And this could stem from anything from the amount of power these facilities are drawing to something else that Moody's Ratings has been highlighting lately, water usage.

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560.163 - 581.618 John Medina

Yes, water is always local, right? But the push to support and bring some of these projects into some locations is often at the state or sovereign level, right? A higher level of government. And then when it comes down to actually building the project and coming to local resources, the locals may be against it or may not be, you know, for it. Now you're seeing outreach to the communities.

581.658 - 598.374 John Medina

You're seeing, hey, we're going to build this here. We're going to provide water. We're going to work with you on a new water treatment plant to help the community as well as ourselves. So you're seeing more partnerships in that regard. Same thing on the power side, because nobody wants to do all of the development costs and then not be able to finish your project.

598.755 - 614.048 Luke Vargas

You mentioned big tech companies should be able to find a use for these data centers, and most of them also have quite robust balance sheets. So is the credit risk then here primarily among the developers or financiers of these projects, especially with more of them being backed by debt?

614.129 - 632.125 John Medina

I think all of the projects, I don't want to say are highly leveraged because it's infrastructure. Infrastructure is a highly leveraged asset class in general because they last a long time. These are 50-year assets, generally speaking, as long as you upgrade it and keep them up and running. So there's definitely a risk in terms of who's going to pay for that.

632.185 - 649.345 John Medina

If I have to put more leverage into my asset and I can't recover it from higher rents, then that's a problem. Or if I can't upgrade my facility because my tenant needs the newest cooling equipment, then maybe I don't have my tenant anymore, right? Maybe they don't renew their lease or maybe they go somewhere else.

Chapter 6: What challenges does the data center industry face in the next five years?

655.856 - 670.14 John Medina

So like we say our old malls or new malls or old hotels or new hotels, they're not that different. Data centers are notably different when they change the types of internal compute. They could be quite different and quite expensive in terms of the internal configurations.

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670.12 - 678.372 Luke Vargas

John Medina is Senior Vice President of Moody's Ratings Global Project and Infrastructure Finance Group. John, thank you so much for being with us on What's News.

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678.812 - 680.835 John Medina

Thanks, Luke. Appreciate it.

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680.855 - 694.474 Luke Vargas

And that's it for What's News for this Tuesday morning. Today's show was produced by Hattie Moyer and Daniel Bach. Our supervising producer was Sandra Kilhoff. And I'm Luke Vargas for The Wall Street Journal. We will be back tonight with a new show. Until then, thanks for listening.

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Bye.

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