AmEx Misled Business Owners to Increase Sign-Ups
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Here's your Money Briefing. I'm J.R. Whalen at The Wall Street Journal in New York. For credit card companies, signing up new customers can boost their bottom line.
How did the Wall Street Journal uncover AmEx sales practices targeting small business owners?
Wall Street Journal reporter Anna Maria Andriotis reports exclusively how some American Express salespeople misled business owners about credit card features and efforts to sign up new members. And how, in some cases, American Express issued new credit cards to business owners. without their consent.
People are being told that they're going to qualify for a certain amount of rewards or for sign-up bonus points, like X amount of spend in the first few months on a card will get you these extra bonus points, and they're not materializing. And when the people call back to find out why they're not materializing, they're being told, well, you don't qualify for it.
Coming up, she'll also explain the relationship between these practices and the end of American Express's exclusive credit card relationship with Costco.
A Wall Street Journal investigation has found that American Express sales reps were trying to boost sign-ups for business cards with a number of questionable practices. That included signing people up for cards they didn't want, checking credit reports without permission, or over-promising on rewards. Journal reporter Ana Maria Andriotis has been looking into this. So, Ana Maria, this story all started in kind of a strange way. It goes back to Costco?
In 2015, when it became known that Costco and American Express were not going to be renewing their 16-year-long exclusive partnership in which American Express issued the Costco credit card and if you were to shop in-store, right? I don't know if people remember, but if you were to shop in-store at that time at Costco and you were going to pay with a credit card…
Why did American Express focus on retaining Costco business card customers in 2015?
You could only pay with an Amex card. It didn't have to be that Costco Amex branded card, but it had to be an Amex card, right? So in 2015, when it became public information that this relationship was coming to an end, what happened internally in American Express was a strategy that was created in terms of how do we hold on to these business owners' rights? who have Costco Amex cards and will not be able to use those cards soon enough.
And so that's why the business owners were so attractive to American Express.
Among other reasons, yes, because in this Costco relationship, essentially, these were coveted customers for Amex because they did a lot of spending and that mattered. And so with this relationship going away with Costco, it meant the risk that Amex would lose that spending volume, would lose those customers. So the effort internally at Amex was, let's try to hold on to these customers by selling them other American Express carts, not branded with Costco.
What strategy did AmEx sales teams in Phoenix use to convert former Costco cardholders?
Nothing wrong with that strategy at all. So essentially what happened was that there was initially about a group of about 100 salespeople in Phoenix who were tasked with doing this. They were given lists of the Costco Amex business card holders and told, okay, contact these people and try to sell them an Amex-only sort of branded card. And that's where things started to get interesting.
And so what were some of the red flags that popped up as this was going on?
So in the sales office, what my sources told me was occurring was that cards were being sent out to people even though they didn't agree to them, even though they didn't say yes.
And the cards were being sent out to them.
Correct. What I asked was, how could cards be sent out and the company wouldn't have caught this? How could somebody say no on a recorded line because salespeople have recorded desk lines where they have to place these outbound calls? So how could these cards be sent out if there's a recorded line on which somebody said no? And I was told that salespeople were not using the recorded lines. that there were cases in which salespeople were calling from their personal cell phones in a breezeway that was part of the Amex building of the campus there in Phoenix.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:05–0:13
2
How did the Wall Street Journal uncover AmEx sales practices targeting small business owners?
0:13–1:55
3
Why did American Express focus on retaining Costco business card customers in 2015?
1:55–2:59
4
What strategy did AmEx sales teams in Phoenix use to convert former Costco cardholders?
2:59–5:01
5
How were cards being issued to business owners without proper recorded consent?
5:01–6:29
6
What examples show AmEx sales reps pulled credit reports or opened accounts without permission?
6:29–7:52
7
How did misrepresenting rewards and failing to disclose annual fees affect cardholders?
7:52–9:22
8
What is American Express's response and how many cases did they acknowledge?
9:22–9:36
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