Credit Card Losses Piling Up at Small Banks
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This is Your Money Matters from The Wall Street Journal. Welcome to Your Money Matters. I'm J.R. Whalen in New York. As the economy continues to show strength, Americans are taking on more debt. And that means troubling clouds gathering over smaller banks, which have been competing for a piece of the credit card market. Wall Street Journal reporter Anna Maria Andriotis joins us to discuss how smaller banks in particular have seen their losses pile up as more customers take on more debt and miss payments. So, Ana Maria, this really wasn't part of the plan. After the recession, smaller banks and bigger banks alike pursued an affluent customer base, and they offered lots of benefits to lure them to sign up.
The credit card market has been one of the most appealing consumer lending markets for banks since the recession. It's a market that has comparatively higher yields compared to other consumer loans for lenders. And so, as you mentioned, in the wake of the recession, really over the last five or so years in particular, banks have really been pulling out all these different offers from really generous rewards programs to low promotional interest rate offerings on cards to get more consumers.
How did smaller banks get into the credit card market after the recession?
Everyone's after the same pie. the credit-worthy consumer, the affluent consumer. But as small banks tried to compete in this market, what they found was that it was very costly and very difficult to do.
And so what was happening here is that customers were being rejected by larger banks for various reasons, not being able to meet the qualifications for the credit card package. And then smaller banks were scrambling then to sign them up. It seems like they should see a customer. If they're not qualified, they're not qualified.
So there definitely was that component at play where people who have not been able to get approved at the big banks found that they were able to get approved at their local, whether it was community banks or other local banks in the area. One individual who I spoke with, he's an attorney at a consumer law firm, one that specializes in debt repair. He said that his company has been working with a lot of consumers in this type of situation where they're behind on their credit card bills. And in fact, they got approved by small banks after they got rejected by the large banks. But there's also the solicitation point, right? It's not cheap to send out credit card offers in the mail to find new customers who are credit worthy and to market to them.
So the small banks with a smaller budget compared to the big institutions, of course, just had to make some decisions here. How cost effective was it to try to find these people, the same people that were being marketed at by the likes of J.P. Morgan, B of A? That's a costly endeavor. But people in your neighborhood who aren't getting those types of offers, not so costly.
and you know the big banks they could afford to offer things like cash rewards and points toward vacations and merchandise and things like that the smaller banks were left with having to loosen credit card require a credit score requirements that sounds very familiar that takes me back to ten years ago when people
not in a position to take on what was back then take on take on housing or take on a real estate commitment here they may not be qualified to take on a credit card commitment and and this is this is backfiring right right so what initially was this really attractive loan segment has backfired on many small banks um there were um several tiny banks that i spoke to that didn't make their way into the story but there was this one story in particular that really sort of stuck with me this This local bank, a community bank that said a few years ago, we're going to get into credit card lending. And they created this card to market it to affluent consumers. The rewards program wasn't so great on it. Didn't really take off.
So what the bank decided to do instead was to essentially market the card to subprime borrowers. And then their losses skyrocketed, and now they're exiting the market.
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4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:02–1:18
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How did smaller banks get into the credit card market after the recession?
1:18–4:31
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Why are credit cards more profitable than other consumer loans for banks?
4:31–8:09
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How did small banks compete for customers rejected by big banks?
8:09–8:12
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