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Hey, your money briefing listeners. It's J.R. Whelan. In the past couple of years, our work lives have changed a lot. And it's not just because of the pandemic. That's why the Wall Street Journal has launched As We Work, a new podcast about how the workplace and our relationship to it is evolving. Every week, host Tess Vigeland will speak with experts, journal reporters, and you about those shifts and how to navigate them. Today, we're sharing one of the first episodes with you about pay transparency and why it's hard to separate the number on the pay stub from your worth as a worker. If you like what you hear and want to keep listening, you can subscribe to As We Work wherever you listen to this podcast.
All right, here's As We Work. Enjoy.
Hi, I'm Tess Vigland, and As We Work, people are talking more about whether to talk about how much money they make.
We grew up in a small rural community, and you just didn't talk about money. There's a lot of bigger issues than money. You know, it's seen as like the wrong thing to do or people are very protective of it for some reason whereas they think like being more transparent. It allows people to sort of go into positions and know where they stand and how much they're valued with the company.
I don't know, I'm a little private about that. I don't see anything wrong with being open about what you make.
This is As We Work from The Wall Street Journal, a show about the changing workplace and everything you need to know to navigate it. You just heard from Amon Coleman, a caregiver from Alaska, Linda Cipriano, an executive assistant from New York, Adrienne Richburg, a publicist also from New York, and Eva Allen, a paramedic from Virginia. We talked to them on the streets of New York City. As they told us, talking about pay is controversial. Coming up on the show, the role of the pay stub in our lives, why we don't talk more about it with our friends, and how we see ourselves in those numbers.
Happy Pay Equity Week. It's that wonderful time of year when some women finally catch up with how much men made last year. For the average female worker, it's taken more than two months to equal what their male counterparts made in 2021. Are you celebrating? I'm not. Because A, why does this even exist? And B, women of color have to wait even longer. This year, it's May 3rd for Asian American and Pacific Island women, September 21st for Black women, November 30th for Native American women, and December 8th for Latinas. That's according to the American Association of University Women. Pay equality and equity, not just for women, are part of the reason there are growing calls to make it easier to see how much money people make.
Several states and cities are passing pay transparency laws that are upending the negotiation game between employer and potential employee. And some workers aren't even waiting for corporations and governments to get on board. They're publicly posting their wages and salaries in an effort to bring equity to the compensation process. Victoria Walker is one of them. She shared her salary on Twitter as she was leaving her job as a senior reporter at The Points Guy, a travel website. Welcome. Thank you for having me. So let's pull up the tweet and I'd like you to read it for us.
Absolutely. Absolutely. I tweeted, Whoa, Nelly. Whoa.
So that tweet got tens of thousands of likes within 24 hours. Definitely qualifying as viral. So let me ask you, first of all, it used to be taboo to talk about your salary.
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4 chapters
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–6:16
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What is pay transparency and why is it becoming a focus in the workplace?
6:16–17:05
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Why did Victoria Walker publicly post her salary and what happened next?
17:05–21:20
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How did people react to a viral salary tweet and what does that reveal about pay taboos?
21:20–29:56
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