Pension Funds Reconsider Shunning Stocks
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Here's your money briefing for Thursday, September 24th. I'm J.R. Whelan for The Wall Street Journal. The stock market has rallied up nearly 50% since hitting bottom at the start of the pandemic in mid-March.
How did pension funds miss the pandemic-era stock market rally?
That's been good news for market investors and many 401k accounts, but pension funds that had shied away from stocks for years missed the rally.
It really makes it much harder to meet future obligations and commitments so that all these, you know, police, fire, government workers can continue to get paychecks and benefits in retirement.
Reporter Greg Zuckerman will explain why many pension funds avoided buying stocks and still do. That's after the break.
Stock market gains since the second quarter have helped some public pension funds partially offset steep losses suffered at the onset of the pandemic. But many funds that were reluctant to invest in stocks weren't able to capitalize on the market rally. Reporter Greg Zuckerman joins me to discuss.
Why have public pension funds been shifting into alternative investments like private equity and hedge funds?
So, Greg, you know, stock markets were trending upward and hitting records before the coronavirus hit. Why would pensions have been phasing out stocks?
So pension funds have for years been wary of investing in the stock market. Part of it is they've shifted to so-called alternative investments. That's like private equity, venture capital, hedge funds, maybe excessively shifted there. They can have a steadier stream of returns. People get nervous about the stock market, pension funds. Although they're long-term investors, they can be very conservative investors. And over the years, they've been sold the argument that alternate investments are safer.
But since the Dow hit bottom in late March, it's up almost 50%. And still, some pension funds haven't returned to stocks.
How do low bond yields force pensions to reconsider stock allocations?
Yeah, pension funds are still wary, continue to be wary of stock market. There are indications, though, they're starting to reconsider that position, partly because interest rates are so low. When bond yields around the world, over 80% of them yield under 2%, then it forces... one to reconsider the position. If you're not going to be in stocks and you're not going to be in bonds, there's not many other options for you. So some of them are rethinking and considering whether to shift a little bit more, not go overboard, but a little bit more into stocks.
Can you give us an idea of the difference in performance between pension funds that have been buying stocks and those that have not?
The average pension fund has very little right now in stocks, broadly speaking. Back in 2013, it was about 52, 53% of their portfolio was in stocks, but that's down today to about 47%. So they've really reduced their exposure and it has hurt them as a result. Most of these funds have to hit a hurdle or a bogey rate, as they call it, of about seven percent uh and yet the returns just haven't been close to that and it's partly because of that the limited exposure to to equities um the overall the public pensions lost about 13.2 percent in the first quarter of 2020 uh they gained 11.1 percent in the second quarter so that has been better now you mentioned a bogey rate can you explain what that is
What performance gap exists between pension funds that stayed in stocks and those that didn't?
Sure. So pension funds have these streams of expenses that they have to pay out. It's everything from retirement of those on the pension, health care costs, etc. So they have to hit or they're expected to hit a certain rate, given that they sometimes will promise a certain rate to people that are on pensions. And again, that's about 7%.
Oh, okay. And, you know, bonds have traditionally been an investment vehicle for pension funds, but they haven't really been all that attractive as of late.
Historically, bonds are not a bad place for conservative investors. They have a steady stream of payments. They're safer than stocks. There are things like junk bonds and corporate bonds, which have some risk, but treasuries and muni bonds are generally pretty safe. So it makes sense for conservative investors to be heavily into bonds, but where we are right now, with most every bond in the world yielding at really low rates.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:05–0:17
2
How did pension funds miss the pandemic-era stock market rally?
0:17–1:05
3
Why have public pension funds been shifting into alternative investments like private equity and hedge funds?
1:05–1:53
4
How do low bond yields force pensions to reconsider stock allocations?
1:53–3:22
5
What performance gap exists between pension funds that stayed in stocks and those that didn't?
3:22–4:32
6
How does the 7% bogey rate affect pension fund investment choices?
4:32–5:58
7
Which pension funds benefited from higher equity exposure and why?
5:58–7:22
8
What are the risks and trade-offs if pensions return to larger stock allocations?
7:22–7:29
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