Structured Notes: Obstacles to Profiting Off Tech Stocks
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with your money briefing. I'm J.R. Whalen at The Wall Street Journal in New York. Investors are finding it hard to bet on big tech stocks and avoid risk. We'll explain in a moment. First, these money and market stories you should know. In a sign of an increasingly tight labor market, the number of available jobs in the U.S. exceeded the number of job seekers by more than 650,000 in July. And the number of available jobs in the U.S. rose by about 117,000 to a seasonally adjusted 6.94 million in July. That's the highest level on record dating back to 2000. The tight labor market, shown by an unemployment rate holding near a 17-year low, is shifting more power to workers, and increasingly they're willing to quit their jobs.
How are structured notes preventing investors from profiting on big tech stocks?
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We're joined by Wall Street Journal markets reporter Ben Eisen. Many investors turn to tech stocks and most notably Facebook, Apple, Netflix and Google to score profits, but would rather leave risk on the table. Now, Ben, you write in the journal that investors are finding it hard to do both.
What exactly are structured notes and how do they alter stock risk profiles?
It involves structured notes issued by banks. What exactly are these notes?
A structured note is a pretty complex type of product, but it's often owned by everyday mom-and-pop investors. And these are products that are basically meant to kind of transform the risk profile of an investment like a stock. So think of the way a stock goes up, but it can also go down. You can make a lot of money, but you can lose a lot of money. The idea here is by sort of some form of financial engineering, you are taking this stock and perhaps you have less risk of principal losses but a little bit less risk of gains.
And some of this risk has a lot to do with how and when the notes are redeemed.
Yeah, there's a very popular type of structured product these days called an auto callable note. And a lot of these notes are linked to some of these hot tech stocks like Facebook and Amazon and Netflix. And what happens basically is you earn a coupon, much like a bond. You earn interest, but the note can automatically be called.
How do auto‑callable notes work and why do they limit returns?
And usually it's called if the underlying stock rises. So an investor might see kind of this teaser yield that might advertise double-digit annual returns, but the note is actually called in way less than a year. So after a month or a few months, a quarter, six months, the note gets called and you earn a fraction of that.
So if the stock pops and then comes back down, it may go over a certain threshold and causes the note to be called, then all of a sudden you're out of the stock.
Exactly. The note is called and you basically earn a fraction of that yield. And what we've found is that a lot of these notes, well, they deliver a lot smaller returns than the stock itself. And oftentimes, because these products are packaged together with derivatives and bank debt, banks charge somewhat hefty fees. And sometimes these fees, or oftentimes these fees, are higher than the actual returns that an investor gets because the note's outstanding for such a short amount of time.
And we've seen a pullback in tech stocks in the recent past, and that's allowed some of these notes a chance to breathe and not be called
Why do banks’ fees and short holding periods reduce investor gains from notes?
as frequently as they might have in previous months.
If you think about Facebook, it's taken a couple of big dives this year and one somewhat recently.
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Chapters
7 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:05–0:49
2
How are structured notes preventing investors from profiting on big tech stocks?
0:49–1:57
3
What exactly are structured notes and how do they alter stock risk profiles?
1:57–3:04
4
How do auto‑callable notes work and why do they limit returns?
3:04–4:11
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Why do banks’ fees and short holding periods reduce investor gains from notes?
4:11–5:08
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When do structured notes tied to indices like the S&P outperform those tied to single tech stocks?
5:08–5:51
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What principal‑loss risks should investors know about structured notes at maturity?
5:51–6:02
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