Why the Small-Business Stimulus Loans Don't Work for All
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How does the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) intend to help small businesses during the pandemic?
Here's your Money Briefing for Friday, May 1st. I'm J.R. Whalen for The Wall Street Journal. The $660 billion Paycheck Protection Program is meant to help small businesses stay afloat during the coronavirus pandemic. And it's helped a lot of them pay the bills and keep workers on staff. But some business owners in larger cities are worried that even with a loan, only being able to allocate a relatively small part of the money for non-payroll expenses could put them in a bind.
This is a very, very frustrating situation for a lot of businesses, particularly if they are already closed and have laid off employees. For these companies, if they want to qualify for grants, they're going to have to bring back workers even when their businesses are closed.
Why are city-based small businesses saying the 75% payroll rule leaves them unable to cover rent and utilities?
That's Wall Street Journal reporter Yuka Hayashi. Coming up, she'll explain more about those restrictions, including how they got into the program in the first place.
Many small business owners in big cities who've taken out loans through the Paycheck Protection Program, or PPP, find themselves in a tough spot. They can pay workers and avoid layoffs, but they may not have the money they need to pay for rent and utilities. Wall Street Journal reporter Yuka Hayashi is here to explain why. So Yuka, how does the allocation of funds for small businesses contribute to this problem?
The program requires businesses to spend at least 75% of the funds on payroll to keep workers employed or rehire workers if they have already let go their employees. And that leaves only 25% to cover other essential expenses, including rent and utility payments.
What does Yuka Hayashi say about the requirement to rehire workers to qualify for loan forgiveness?
And for businesses that are located in big, expensive cities, New York is the prime example of that. That 25%, in many cases, is not enough to cover their rent and other costs.
Is that enough of a hurdle for some small businesses to have to walk away from the loan opportunity?
This is a very, very frustrating situation for a lot of businesses, particularly if they are already closed and have laid off employees. For these companies, if they want to qualify for grants, they're going to have to bring back workers even when their businesses are closed. And at the same time, they have these rent bills, utility bills piling up. They would rather spend the money to cover these expenses in order to survive.
How did the Treasury and Small Business Administration decide to cap non-payroll spending at 25%?
Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin has said the intent of the loans was to encourage hiring and employee retention, but not pay all of a business's overhead. How is that going over with business owners you spoke with?
Using this program to maintain employment, to keep people employed, was the primary goal when Congress set up this program. But I believe when they were designing the program, they were not envisioning a crisis that would last for such a long time. So while businesses are waiting for money to arrive, they are quickly running out of funds.
How did relationships with banks affect which businesses accessed PPP funds faster?
So now they are desperately... hoping to use whatever money they can get in terms of government assistance in order to pay their bills.
But didn't the Small Business Administration have major influence on this cap for non-payroll expenses being in the bill?
It certainly did. After Congress passed the legislation to set up this program, the administration officials from the Treasury Department and the Small Business Administration said, put together a package that includes all the details on how this program is run. And when those details were announced several days later, they included this cap on non-payroll expenses, which surprised a lot of people.
Some small business owners have said that working with their bank, maybe it wasn't always easy, but it might have been the key for them to secure a loan. On another one of our podcasts, Secrets of Wealthy Women, the guest on the latest episode was Kate Luzio. She's the founder of a female-focused workspace in New York City called Luminary.
What would be the fiscal impact of giving equal weight to payroll and non-payroll costs in the relief program?
And she talked about how she was able to leverage her relationship with her bank even before the loan package was passed. This is Kate.
I called our banker and said, OK, are you doing this?
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Chapters
6 chapters
1
How does the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) intend to help small businesses during the pandemic?
0:05–0:52
2
Why are city-based small businesses saying the 75% payroll rule leaves them unable to cover rent and utilities?
0:52–1:53
3
What does Yuka Hayashi say about the requirement to rehire workers to qualify for loan forgiveness?
1:53–2:42
4
How did the Treasury and Small Business Administration decide to cap non-payroll spending at 25%?
2:42–3:19
5
How did relationships with banks affect which businesses accessed PPP funds faster?
3:19–4:22
6
What would be the fiscal impact of giving equal weight to payroll and non-payroll costs in the relief program?
4:22–6:24
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