By all accounts, Gavin Matts has carved a successful path for himself as a comedian, actor and writer at the young age of 30. But he can’t shake the feeling that he came into show business at the tail end and he’s mourning the possibilities that no longer seem as attainable as they once were. Gavin and Marc talk about the changes in the world of comedy, the struggles of local comedy clubs, and the rise of arena shows. Gavin also explains how he was influenced by the pace of comedians like Todd Barry, Hannibal Buress and Chelsea Peretti, and why, in the end, he probably should have been a fisherman.Learn more about our sponsor NOCD by going here - https://learn.nocd.com/wtf Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Chapter 1: What are Gavin Matts' feelings about the current state of comedy?
I'm waiting for my PR to come through here. I can't leave the country right now. You can't leave here? Yeah, I can't right now. I'm still even waiting on my travel papers. And like, you know, which they didn't cut the, what is it, the USCIS. That's not one of the government, whatever, immigration. That hasn't like lost funding, which is nice. And I've been reading about it on Reddit.
So people are still getting their petitions coming in like this. Ja, ich lache, ich lache. Ja, ich lache, ich lache.
They do make them though, dude.
Yeah.
There are these sitcoms where I'm like, who the fuck is watching it? And it's the people that still watch television like that.
Hey man, I sent in a tape to be Tim Allen's son. Did you? I'd get on Tim Allen's new show. He's a mechanic now. Is he really? Yeah, he's salt of the earth, this guy.
You're kidding, right?
I'm not. I'm completely serious. Tim Allen's back? Er ist nie weggegangen.
Er war immer am Stand. Nun, dass sie die dominante Stimme in der Kultur sind, kann er wohl das sein. Er sollte kein Problem haben, oder?
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Chapter 2: How does Gavin Matts view the future of comedy clubs?
Chapter 3: What influenced Gavin Matts' comedic style?
What are we doing? I don't know. I need to get on Tim Allen's show. Ich weiß nicht. Ist das, warum du hier bist? Nein, ich bin hier, um ein bisschen... Ich habe gestern einen Teil über die neue Saison von Hacks beendet. Oh, das ist gut. Also bin ich hierhergekommen, um das zu machen. Was ist das für ein Teil? Ich bin ein Schreiner in Debras Schreiner. Oh, auf dem Show? Auf Debras Schreiner.
In der Schreiner-Ruhe? Ja. Also es ist ein ziemlich entspanntes Teil. Es ist der längste, den ich je auf einem Ding gewesen bin. Wie lange warst du da? Seit Anfang Oktober.
Auf und ab. Also bist du in der Schriftführung der neuen Show, die... Was ist ihr Name? Hosting. Ja, was ich glaube, ich hätte gesagt. Ja, das ist gut. Ja. Jeder weiß, dass das passiert. Ich werde dich nicht fragen, was die Dynamiken waren. Ja. Oder was es für eine spannende Saison macht. Ja. Oder was Hannahs Charakter tut. Ja.
Yeah, I have some stuff with Hannah. She's great.
Yeah, Hannah's the best. So it's interesting. You're really kind of doing it the old way. Like, you know, you're doing the comedy. You seem serious about it. You have a point of view. You're like, fuck the man. But you're like, but the man needs me.
Ja, ja, du kannst nicht, ich kann nicht, du weißt, im Kapitalismus, ich kann nicht komplett separieren in diesem, weißt du, was ich meine? Ich bin ein Kog in der Maschine.
Ich konnte nie, ich hatte nie ein Handel auf Auditionen oder Aktivität. Ich war alle weinend. Es gab keinen Weg, dass ich auf eine Sitcom passen würde. Also, obwohl ich es wollen wollte, war es nicht, es war nicht going to happen.
Yeah, it's never, like, come my way. Like, I mean, I've done a couple things. I mean, this is the longest, but I'm just, like, you know. And for that reason, you just focus on stand-up. But I don't want to, like, post, really. Post your stand-up? I don't want to do it how everyone's doing it. I mean... You mean, like, Crowdwork? Yeah, sure.
Just, like, you know, just the constant social media of it all. It's a full-time job. I feel like I bite myself on the foot sometimes by doing that, but I kind of just, like... Wenn ich Stand-Up mache und es selbst arbeite und dann vielleicht, ich meine, ich arbeite hart und die Leute werden es sehen. Ja, ja.
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Chapter 4: Why does Gavin Matts feel he should have been a fisherman?
Und ich fühlte, als ob TikTok wirklich Leute drückte, zumindest aus dem, was ich gesehen habe, und was alle gesprochen haben. Ja. Es fühlte sich so informativ an. Ja. Für zwei Jahre. Ja. Es fühlte sich, als würde es Menschen meiner Art mobilisieren. Und auch jünger als ich. In einer Art, die ich noch nie gesehen hätte. Ja.
Und dann das zu sehen, dass ich einen Wechsel gesehen habe, seit es geschlossen ist. Ja. Wobei es ziemlich offensichtlich ist, Yeah, Zuckerberg. Yeah, I don't know, man. So you're just gonna, what, fuck the man? Yeah, man, fuck the man, fuck this shit. I just wanna do stand-up. But I do, I... But I actually, I mean, I'm joking when I'm repeating you say that, but... Yeah, I don't know, I care.
I'm like, I have things I wanna do. Yeah, like what? Just what I'm doing, you know?
And I don't want that to stop. So in terms of like... What one has to do to get out there, you don't have the wherewithal to feed the beast, the content beast?
Not the content beast, but there's other things. I want to act. I like your career a lot. The things you've done. You're good in the order.
Oh, thanks, man. I studied that guy. I knew who that guy was. That movie was good. And my fear was being that guy. So I thought if I acted as that guy, maybe it would... Man, es war großartig.
Ich dachte, es war großartig. Oh, danke. Ja, ich liebte das Film. Ich sah das am späten 11 Uhr an Angelica, weißt du, die in New York mit dem Train unter mir?
Ja, ja, ja, auf Houston. Ja. Ja, ja. Ja, ich, naja, die Schauspielung war etwas, was ich immer wollte, aber es sah nicht so aus, als würde es passieren. Und das ist nicht passiert. Ich war in meinen 40ern.
Ja.
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Chapter 6: How has the landscape of comedy changed over the years?
Chapter 7: What is the significance of arena shows in comedy?
Well, what I noticed was that There were a couple... It happened later in my career because, you know, you find that, like, when you're walking around, especially if you're doing... You're trying to hold, grab them, like, and you feel this compulsion to kind of, you know, move back and forth. I'll do some pacing, you know, still at the comedy store.
But I just... I found that sitting down, you know, if... Wenn du dich nicht überraschst, zieht es die Aufmerksamkeit anders. Und wenn du das hältst, ist es dein eigenes Raum. Und du fühlst dich nicht, als würdest du rumlaufen. Es klingt bescheuert.
Ich weiß. Ich mache Dinge, die auf der Bühne liegen. Ich nehme die Mikrofone hinter mir und lehne mich manchmal zurück. Aber das ist mir ein paar Mal nicht gefallen, als die Mikrofone am Boden geschnappt wurde. Oh, wirklich? Ja. Yeah, that's happened to me at the stand in New York a couple of times and I think I owe them a couple of mic stands.
It's sad when the one thing you need up there fucks you. And then you're embarrassed. You're just trying to be cool. You're just trying to be cool and be listened to.
And then they're like, this guy doesn't even know who he is or what he's doing.
We saw the mic stand breaking opened the portal into his vulnerability.
There's not even a fourth wall, there's a fifth. He's scrambling, he's drowning up there. Literally, he's holding the mic stand, no bottom. Just a true, a real metaphor for his life and decisions. You make a joke, but you've still been upstaged by things out of your control. I know, and nothing will ever be better than that. No.
For the audience. Back when he could smoke, my hair caught on fire on stage. That was a big moment. Oh, that's a huge moment. Because I had really long hair and I used to flip it. Ja, genau. Du musst es auch haben. Es ist so schwer. Die ganze Grund, warum wir in das machen, ist, dass es eine Krieg ist, wenn man verarscht wird. Ja. Und wenn das passiert, musst du sagen, nimm den Schlag.
Lass uns sehen, ob wir davon auslaufen können. Lass uns nicht weglaufen, Mann.
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