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Constitutional attorney Dean Broyles, president of the National Center for Law and Policy, joins me to continue untangling the legal battles reshaping how public schools handle gender identity — and what they mean for parents, teachers, and students.Picking up where we left off with Laura Powell in episode 207, Dean begins with a detailed breakdown of the Mirabelli v. Bonta case, which started in Escondido, California, when two Catholic teachers refused to comply with “gender secrets” policies requiring them to conceal a child’s gender identity from parents. Dean walks us through Judge Bonita’s landmark ruling, which found that California’s parental exclusion policies create a “trifecta of harm” to children, parents, and teachers alike — and the March 2nd Supreme Court decision reinstating the statewide injunction squarely on the side of parental rights.We go deep on what these rulings mean in practice: the secret “shadow records” schools have been keeping on students’ gender identities, the religious accommodation rights teachers can assert against California’s coercive PRISM training, and the student free speech protections guaranteed by Tinker v. Des Moines. Dean explains the difference between a parent’s right to be informed and a teacher’s legal obligation — and where the courts are headed on whether parents can block social transition at school entirely.We also address the growing wave of detransition malpractice cases, including the Varian v. Einhorn verdict, and what a pending Supreme Court case could mean for therapists’ freedom of speech in counseling. This is essential listening for parents, teachers, and mental health professionals navigating what Dean calls an Orwellian environment in today’s public schools.Dean Broyles is a constitutional attorney who serves as the president of the National Center for Law & Policy. He is a free speech, religious freedom, and parental rights advocate with extensive experience involving sexual identity issues in the courts, culture, and public schools. Dean regularly files amicus briefs at the U.S. Supreme Court in landmark cases, provides legislative testimony, and advises mental health professionals. He lives in southern California and has been married to his wife, Shona, a public-school teacher, for 36 years. Dean is the father of four adopted children and two grandchildren. Follow him on X: DeanBroyles. His blog can be found here.[00:00:00] Start[00:02:08] Mirabelli v. Bonta: Background and Origins[00:05:55] Judge Bonita's Ruling: Trifecta of Harm[00:09:25] Supreme Court Reinstates Statewide Injunction[00:13:52] Teachers' Rights vs. Obligation to Inform[00:15:45] Shadow Records in California Schools[00:24:33] First and 14th Amendment Parental Rights Explained[00:38:35] Students' Free Speech Rights: Tinker v. Des Moines[00:44:50] Orwellian Coercion of Religious Students and Teachers[00:51:20] AB 5 and California's PRISM Teacher Training[00:58:40] Teachers Win Exemptions After Supreme Court Ruling[01:00:50] The Spiral of Silence — and How to Reverse It[01:07:15] Can Parents Block Social Transition at School?[01:12:36] Desistance Rates and the Danger of Medicalization[01:18:20] Detransition Malpractice Cases: Who's Liable?[01:23:46] Pending Supreme Court Case on Therapist Free SpeechROGD REPAIR Course + Community gives concerned parents instant access to over 120 lessons providing the psychological insights and communication tools you need to get through to your kid. Use code SOMETHERAPIST2026 to take 50% off your first month.PODCOURSES: use code SOMETHERAPIST at LisaMustard.com/PodCoursesPRODUCTION: Looking for your own podcast producer? Visit PodsByNick.com and mention my podcast for 20% off your initial services.MUSIC: Thanks to Joey Pecoraro for our song, “Half Awake,” used with gratitude & permission.ALL OTHER LINKS HERE.
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