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Alexis Soyer (Radio Edit)

Fri, 22 Nov 2024

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Greg Jenner is joined in the 19th century by Dr Annie Gray and comedian Ed Gamble to learn all about French celebrity chef Alexis Soyer.Despite being well-known during his lifetime, Soyer is virtually unknown today. His primary legacy was a portable stove, used by the British army until the Falklands War. But Soyer was a prototypical celebrity chef: he opened the Reform Club kitchen to the public so that they could watch him cook, wrote popular cookbooks, sold kitchen gadgets and branded sauces, and even took part in high-profile charity campaigns.From his birth in France to the success he found in London, via a soup kitchen in Dublin and a hospital during the Crimean War, this episode explores Alexis Soyer’s extraordinary life and culinary innovations.This is a radio edit of the original podcast episode. For the full-length version, please look further back in the feed.Hosted by: Greg Jenner Research by: Hannah Campbell Hewson Written by: Emmie Rose Price-Goodfellow, Emma Nagouse, and Greg Jenner Produced by: Emmie Rose Price-Goodfellow and Greg Jenner Audio Producer: Steve Hankey Production Coordinator: Ben Hollands Senior Producer: Emma Nagouse Executive Editor: James Cook

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Chapter 1: Who was Alexis Soyer?

0.009 - 9.854 Dara O'Brien

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29.094 - 58.868 Lucy Worsley

It's Lucy Worsley here and we're back with a brand new series of Lady Swindlers. Join me and my all female team of detectives as we revisit the audacious crimes of women trying to make it in a world made for men. These were women who traded in crime, but who were ahead of their time. History calls them criminals. Society calls them frauds.

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58.888 - 66.61 Lucy Worsley

But here on Lady Swindlers, we call them ordinary women who lived extraordinary lives. And we're still talking about them today.

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69.296 - 85.609 Unidentified Speaker (Brief Interjection)

Meet a swindler with ever so many names.

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86.049 - 104.483 Lucy Worsley

Or travel with us to 1920s New York to meet Celia Cooney, the bobbed-haired bandit. A celebrity armed robber with a plan. But deep down, all she really wants is her dream home. And you don't have to just take our word for it.

104.523 - 110.047 Ed Gamble

We didn't call Celia the bob-haired bandit. We called Celia Grandma.

110.087 - 135.325 Lucy Worsley

This season, we're chasing fake mediums, a lady burglar and the infamous Yorkshire witch from England and Scotland to the US and beyond. Our Lady Swindlers are truly international. She moved from Scotland to England to Italy, later to New York, to New Zealand and Australia. As always, we're travelling back in time with our in-house historian, Professor Rosalind Krohn.

135.385 - 142.667 Lucy Worsley

And we've even come up with our own criminal nicknames. Cunning Krohn. Luce the Noose. Luce, Lucy and Robert Ross.

142.807 - 143.467 Hannah Fry

No bad ideas.

Chapter 2: What innovations did Alexis Soyer bring to cooking?

644.943 - 665.339 Dr. Annie Gray

Ich denke, es ist eine Mischung von beidem. Er war ziemlich bekannt für die Erfindung von kleinen Inventoren und so und dann ihre Erfindung ausbauen und es popularisieren oder aufbauen. Aber er war absolut ein Inventor in seinem eigenen Recht auch. Er kam immer mit Ideen. With the Reform Club, he worked with the architect to put in new kitchens just after he arrived.

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665.359 - 684.487 Dr. Annie Gray

Some of the stuff was fine, there were separate departments for butchery and for lots of different larders. It was a huge complex of kitchens, so far so normal. But then he did things like install sliding chopping boards and sliding partitions so that everyone could have their own workspaces. He made sure things were the right heights for shorter people, kitchen maids and people like that.

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684.687 - 704.213 Dr. Annie Gray

And then he went all out for steams. He had a steam table. It's steam heated, so the dishes are staying hot. There's temperature-controlled ovens. And most of all, he was this huge champion for gas. So gas had been in for lighting for quite a long time, but very, very few people had thought about cooking with it, partly because the size of the pipes was too small to get enough supply in.

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704.233 - 712.596 Dr. Annie Gray

But because he was building from new, he could make sure the pipes were made bigger, so he could get this gas into the kitchens. And he was this enormous champion for cooking on gas.

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712.956 - 720.72 Greg Jenner

Er experimentierte auch mit Küchen-Applikationen. Er glaubt also, dass er viele Gadgets inventiert hat. Ich weiß nicht, ob er sie inventiert hat oder ob er sie lizenziert hat.

720.76 - 724.061 Unnamed Comedian

Ich glaube, was ich von diesem Mann gelernt habe, ist, dass wir nicht unbedingt vertrauen, was er sagt.

724.081 - 745.632 Greg Jenner

Du wirst definitiv die Hänge dieses Vortrags bekommen, danke. Also, welche dieser fünf Gadgets, einer ist nicht wahr, hat er nicht inventiert oder zumindest popularisiert? Oder glaubt, dass er sie inventiert hat. Okay, also Mechanical Kitchen Timer. Obviously, they're all big in my life. The tendon separator especially. I'm going to go with the plug strainer. It doesn't feel grand enough.

745.652 - 748.113 Greg Jenner

I'm going to go with that.

748.253 - 751.235 Unnamed Comedian

Huge news if he really did invent the cafeteria.

Chapter 3: How did Alexis Soyer influence military cooking?

1167.542 - 1168.943 Greg Jenner

So he has gas. Annie, is it a Dutch oven?

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1168.983 - 1181.409 Dr. Annie Gray

No, actually, although I suspect if he'd been able to invent that one, he would have done it as well and marketed his own farts in a bottle. But no, the magic stove is basically a camping stove. So it's a miniature stove. Again, it wasn't... Seine Erfindung per se, aber er hat es markiert.

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1181.449 - 1196.981 Dr. Annie Gray

Er hat nie Patent aufgenommen, was ein bisschen ein Problem war, weil er im Endeffekt nicht so viel Geld gemacht hat, wie er es von ihnen machen konnte. Aber er liebte diesen Magikstof. Es verkaufte phänomenal gut für jeden, der campen oder reisen wollte. Er hat in dem ersten Jahr etwa 6.000 Pfund davon gemacht, was eine phänomenale Menge von Geld war.

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1197.621 - 1210.947 Greg Jenner

I'm assuming the Reform Club, where he's meant to work. They must be delighted. No? Their star chef is a superstar, bringing in the cash. Everyone knows him. Surely people are queuing to eat at the Reform Club. This is a win for them.

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1210.987 - 1228.212 Dr. Annie Gray

Well, yeah, but they're a members club. You don't want too many people queuing, because you don't want the whole ploy to get in, do you? And I will be fair, he was stretching himself a little thing. He increasingly didn't love being a subordinate. He wanted to be the person that was the draw because he was. And it all got a little bit tense, basically.

1228.272 - 1239.255 Dr. Annie Gray

And then in 1850, they kind of offered him an ultimatum. They basically said, either toe the line, start cooking here and turn up. Or, you know, go away and do all your other things. So he went, turn up.

1240.856 - 1247.405 Greg Jenner

So, one thing that we haven't talked about yet is what Alexis Sawyer looked like. He walked into this room right now. What are you imagining?

1247.445 - 1254.935 Unnamed Comedian

Well, there's two classic chef looks that I'm thinking of. Chefs from history. Big fat red man or little weasley rat boy.

1254.995 - 1255.295 Greg Jenner

Okay.

Chapter 4: What can we learn from Soyer's life and career?

1859.241 - 1860.502 Dara O'Brien

And I'm Dara O'Brien.

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1860.542 - 1865.265 Hannah Fry

And in the all new series of Curious Cases, things are getting curiouser and curiouser.

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1865.285 - 1884.84 Dara O'Brien

We'll be looking the universe squarely in the eye and demanding an answer to your everyday mysteries. Including... Can you actually die of boredom? Why do some people taste music? And how many lemons will it take to power a spaceship? We will shine a light on the world's most captivating oddities. Brought to us by you, you delightful bunch of weirdos.

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1885.08 - 1886.602 Hannah Fry

I don't think you're allowed to call them that.

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1886.622 - 1893.352 Dara O'Brien

But I love them really. Curious Cases. On Radio 4. And available now on BBC Sounds.

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