Zero Limits Podcast
Ep. 246 Scott Jones aka Saint Scojo Electronic Warfare Operator 2nd Commando Regiment and Combat Controller.
23 Apr 2026
Chapter 1: What merchandise and supplements are introduced at the beginning?
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It's time for the Zero Limits Podcast, hosted by Australian veterans. Nick McKenzie here. Do you have something to say to me? Give me a call.
Operator K, arc them up. Arcing up is slang for...
Zero limits listeners. Have I got a surprise for you? Generally, when I put a story up asking a question, who do you want on the podcast? There's three big ones that always come across the table. One's Oliver Schultz, obviously. BRS has always been top of the list. And there's another one. This is going to break the internet. Spotify, Apple, they're going to collapse. Who knows?
This could cause some issues. We don't know. But it's time he tells his story. I think you all know who I'm talking about. We've just recently done a debrief episode on the latest BRS controversies in regards to him being arrested. So now I think you definitely know who it is. The one and only The Saint, they call him. The Saint Skojo has many other names, but his real name is Scott Jones. Mate.
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Chapter 2: What military background does Scott Jones share?
If I'm a Christian, can I be done for hate speech against Christians?
And who do they say what you are and what you're not? It's what you're feeling. If I'm feeling something different tomorrow, I'll be that.
Yeah.
In that debrief, I identified as an investigative journalist.
I can be whatever I want. It's 2026.
Exactly right. There he is, the Saint Skojo. Now, this has been in the works of probably the last week or two. He's decided to come on and share his life story because – We all know, we've all seen the same, I'll call you Scott. Let's go, Joe. Let's go, Joe. Scott. Let's go, Joe.
Same thing. Anyone.
Everyone knows. Fuck with. Dumb dog.
White dog. You fucking white dog.
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Chapter 3: How does Scott describe his transition from military to civilian life?
But yeah, like from the earliest years, like that's all I cared about. And that's the only reason the teachers could get me in a class is saying like, well, we spoke to your parents and you'll go, you're not playing soccer on the weekend. So I made like Wollongong Wolves, which at the time was like a, And NSL before the A-League. So I played for an NSL club, the highest league in Australia.
You know, the comparison plan for the Brisbane Broncos juniors. But there's no academy. It's just like under 10s. And then under 11s, 12s, 13s, 14s, you get to first grade. You're in the first grade team. You're in the highest league in Australia. And then you probably go to Socceroos or whatever. So... I was playing at the highest level coming through like school and that's all I wanted to do.
And I was just like trying everything I could to be a baller. But it just ultimately didn't work out. Yeah, I went on some reality TV show and like the winner got a contract with Sydney FC and I think I came, like, 13th or something. And then I had trials with, like, the Mariners. I was trialing with Marconi.
But, yeah, the sports high school, Westfield, but, like, Harry Kuehl and all those boys went. So we've all got, like, mutual friends. Like, a lot of the socceroos from that era, we know, like, because they're the boys that, you know, the older brothers and stuff like that. Yeah. So it was sick, but I kept getting myself into trouble. So I don't think I spoke about this on Bedtime Warriors, but...
Campbelltown Genetics. Yeah, mate. I got my house raided when I was in fucking high school, so. Yeah, so I wasn't a bad kid, but they put me in – if you Google Thomas Riddle High School, it's probably one of the lowest rated schools in the state, if not the country. But it was a sick school and a sick area, but it's in the middle of, you know, housing commission, right?
Like it is – Cambertown is what it is, you know. It is what it is. And I loved it and I loved the boys and everyone we grew up with, but it was a rough area as you can imagine. Like I saw – And yeah, I saw fucking people get killed, stabbed, shot. You know, my best mate in year seven, he's dead. Like he went into this dude's front door and just unloaded a magazine at him.
He ran out of bullets, tried to run away, didn't do his stoppage drill and they stabbed him to death on the end of the driveway. And it was like... Because the Rebels Clubhouse is in Campbelltown on Blackstone Road. And a lot of the boys, like the hottest chick in our school, her dad was the president of the Rebels.
And I was like, so you want to be like one of the boys, like maybe you got to nominate and go through. So a lot of the boys did. So a lot of the boys grew up and went that path. And then I had a lot of family friends that were cops and my next door neighbors. We're all cops. And you know some of them. A family full of cops. Absolute weapons. Shout out, boys. Three brothers, yeah.
Three of them are cops and one's a landscaper, I guess. And we're good mates with those boys. And I'd be 15 years old, look over the fence next door, and it was one of the boys' 18th. And it turns out it was half of Campbelltown Police Station down there next door. And they're like, Scotty, come over. They can see me through the fucking window.
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Chapter 4: What tactical advantages does an electronic warfare operator provide?
And so we went up to Shahidi SS to disrupt the Taliban so that they couldn't get their shit together and come and attack the base as we're leaving, which is all the indications that's what they wanted to do. So I'm the lead helo flying with the sniper team because I'm best employed as an electronic warfare operator up in the high ground with the snipers.
So the idea behind that is you've got an antenna, the one that looks like a landmine that I'm doing a showy out of on the socials, and that's the antenna head. And the way that – I'll nerd out for a bit.
The way that when someone transmits off a radio, the signal will flood across that antenna head, and the microseconds between each antenna, let's say there's 400 or 500 mini antennas inside that landmine-looking thing, and the way that the signal sweeps across it, it can tell – the way that the signal came from. Yeah.
So you don't necessarily need an EW operator out on the job because an interpreter walking around with one of the shooters can listen to that and tell the person next to them, oh, the Taliban are about to shoot us. The Taliban are saying they're putting the watermelons in the road. They're putting the IEDs in the road. They're bringing the big thing around.
So can you bring the melons for the big thing? It's like, okay, they're going to kill us, right? Whereas the advantage that we gave the shooters, especially the snipers, was we can tell them the direction that came from.
Yep.
And if you've got two bears on either side of the valley, so let's picture an Afghan valley, and I'm on the southern side on a large feature, and another bear's on the northern side, and the Taliban are down in the green belt, left to right in front of us, east to west. And when they transmit... I get a line that points directly to where they transmitted from. Yeah, gotcha. So it crosses.
It crosses. And the other bears crosses. And if you had three bears, you'd get a triangle of error. Yeah. And rather than a sniper, like the boys are sitting there with a scope and they're looking up and down the valley, left and right, getting fucking- You can give them position.
I can be like, just look- A rough triangle, yeah.
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Chapter 5: How does electronic warfare impact combat operations?
And I go, this dude laying IEDs. And it's coming in pretty clear. So I reckon he's probably within one, one and a half, two Ks. And they look and they go, I can see a dude digging. And I go, just wait, wait. And then he'll start talking. I'm almost, I'm almost finished digging, but like, we're going to kill these cunts. And I go, hey, Jono, did you just see him talking on his radio? He goes, yep.
And he just stopped talking now. And I go, yep. His name is X. He's Taliban. He's implanting an IED. Smack. And they shoot him in the back of the head. So that is a tactical advantage that, in general, an EW operator brings to the party. So the only thing that the Taliban had on us is the ability to surprise us. And I, with my capability, could take that away from them.
And that, I think, was pretty fucking cool. Yeah.
When was that introduced, that type of warfare, the electronic warfare?
Back in the day, mate. Like fucking, you know, look at like World War II docos and there's, you know, listening to the enemy, listening to radio transmissions, Vietnam. That's why 7-6 was there. Yeah, yeah. But Timor is very active and it depends like on the enemy. So the enemy might be using mobile phones. They might be using radios, VHF, UHF, HF, SATCOM, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi.
It depends on the target area. the enemy what they're using as to what we are then employed to target.
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Chapter 6: What are the ethical dilemmas faced by operators in combat?
So it's like a golf bag solution. If the Taliban are using unencrypted VHF communications, which they were, I'm going to take this antenna. If they're using UHF, I'll use this antenna. And yeah, you just got to be all over the whole spectrum so that essentially you can kill cunts. So for the conventional army,
It's all – the throwaway line for a bear is we do situational awareness and threat assessments and force protection. So they tell the boss like, hey, the Taliban are about to shoot at us and the boys will go to ground. Like the MTF might go to ground and like halt, patrol halt. They're going to kill us. Whereas when I would tell the boys, hey, they're about to assault, they're like, oh, good.
Which way? Like literally they would change their patrol bearing to what I gave them. I'm like, yeah, all right. slight, slight left, like our two o'clock, reference our access, two o'clock, they're talking about hitting us. And the TL's like, yeah, good. All right, which way? All right, Jonah, you take point. We're going to head that way now, change direction. They want to get into a fight.
And so there wasn't a time that I can remember that I wasn't on a job or a bear was not on a job for that reason. And also just to, you know, obviously make up intelligence. Yeah. Yeah. According to Nick McKenzie.
Yeah.
I carried all the throw downs, mate.
That's what everyone says, literally. So obviously that's the sole purpose of what you were doing in Afghanistan was basically becoming an early warning for the shooters. Yeah.
Yeah. On the ground. Exactly. And then when it was a flat terrain, then I'd go out with the boys on the ground. Like, so some jobs, like we'd go out to Darawood and it's flat. So I just patrol with the boys and I have the kit on my bag and it is fucking heavy, like, you know, 20, 25 kilos just for the kit. So most dudes are 25 kilos with their chest rig, mags. This is just the backpack.
So it's hard to keep up. Like, honestly, it fucking hurts. And it takes a certain dude to do it. Like, yeah.
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Chapter 7: What challenges did Scott Jones face during his military career?
Cause what some cat beads were doing, uh, rightly or wrongly. So it was like getting qualified as a cat B. Then after a year or two, they got to post out cause you're still just a sig. and then post back to the regular army. And they're like, well, I don't want to do that. So they just switched over to be shooters. And some of them are now current Bravo's team leaders, killers in the regiment.
Some sucked ass, you know, because they didn't do, quote unquote, the full Rio, right? So halfway through 2012 Rio, they're like brought like those three or four cat bees. One was a medic and three SIGs. And they're like, boys, You have to switch over and be a commando assaulter if you want your green beret. And we're like, bruv, just let us be SIGs. We don't want any extra pay or anything.
Give us the beret and we'll go back to work. We're doing this to be better. It's not just a prestige thing about getting a green beret.
fucking putting it out hanging out of your pocket and walking past chicks and fucking watching them squirt all over you that's part of the fun but it's about being a better asset for the commandos being a better asset for your team being a better helper a better enabler where you don't have to worry about me at the back of the stack
um, on instant or fucking, you don't have to worry about me around a breaching charge. Cause I know, I know how to set one myself. I know the safety distances. So I'm not just going to stand on the other side of a door and get blown up. Cause I know that there's a wall charge over there or whatever. Um, in theory, I'd probably still do it, but,
So I did all these courses and remember I failed CUI. I had to come back and do my urban course and then I deployed. So I didn't have time to get my beret. So everyone treated me as if I was qualified and referred to me as a commander and whatnot. But technically, I made a mistake of saying like, you need to award me my beret.
Whereas you literally just go to the Q store and get one and bash it and put it on your head. But then the SIGs felt it was such like my SIG chain of command were pretty fucking... Some were good, some were spineless as fuck. And it took these cunts forever to get the balls to send an email to the RSM, who's a commander, and say, Sir, this SIG Jones doesn't have his green beret yet.
And it was just a fucking process, man. But I deployed and was almost roommates at times with the CEO of that first Iraq deployment was Ian Langford. I think retired as recently as a brigadier and an absolute legend, absolute weapon. I could listen to that man talk for hours, man. He knows everything about war. Um, fit as fuck, good leader, great boss.
And I give a lot of shit to officers on socials, but he's one of the few that I would love to have on your potty. You know, he tried. Yeah.
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Chapter 8: How did Scott's experiences shape his views on mental health?
The man can talk maybe because we're friends. I don't know. But, um, I, I guess I, I felt in a way that I, I needed, I just wanted my bro. I was just going to put it on my head, but they're like, no, Scott, you need to be awarded it like every other commando. We want it to mean something. But that process took fucking forever because I'm always in America. I'm always in Townsville. I'm on leave.
I'm in Brazil. I'm fucking doing my thing. I'm hungover. I'm in the cross. No one can find me. I'm passed out on a park bench. So to get the time to actually give me my beret, it took until like the end of 2015 and Ian Langford called the whole unit together and I got awarded my beret after a huge speech about the importance of enablers in front of all my crew, man, and it was fucking –
moving it was awesome and it was one of the proudest days of my life getting that green beret and I try I talk a lot of shit and I do a lot of funny things that at times could be seen as like you know bringing heat to the unit or whatever but I honestly want to do the best for the unit and I want the best for the unit because I love the unit and I had the best times of my life there.
So I got my Green Beret and then it was like 2016, back on tag. So I was doing my second tag rotation with Sniper Platoon doing like a sneaky peeky kind of role while the Assaulters did their thing and yeah, just doing fucking...
The most random shit like, okay, tomorrow we're going to, you get a live call out and you got to go do a hostage rescue mission and the target is movie world on the Gold Coast. And you're like, what? We're going to movie world? So they've hired out Movie World as like an active shooter situation because that is a potential place. Of course, yeah.
So what we have to do is constantly do scenarios at places where we think there might be a terrorist scenario. Westfields, Centrepoint Tower, the Opera House.
Which if you look at Scott Ryder's Instagram, you get a lot of the locations. But they're all locations that it could be. Who would have thought fucking Link Cafe was going to be a target?
Exactly. And Scott Ryder, I was going to say he was in my platoon. I was in his platoon. Ha! Senior Dig. And yeah, he's a legend and a great guy and I have a lot of time for him. But yeah, all those photos, what's up from those tag rotations.
I was, I was there in another role in another capacity or asleep in the back of a white fleet vehicle somewhere while the commandos were fucking standing too. And yeah, we flew up to movie world. Fucking Rapsall jumped in like square shoot canopy into like a nearby area and assaulted the fucking Scooby-Doo ride.
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