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今天这期节目是一个特别节目，因为它本来不是一个播客的聊天，而是我的一个视频采访节目《随便聊聊》的音频版，相比于视频来说，会更完整一点。由于这一次，和刘擎老师在深圳见面，也非常匆忙，所以聊得也不是很充分。但对我来说，还是蛮有意义的。一个是，因为见到刘擎老师本人，有一种安顿的作用，他周身有一种场，会让人感到放心。另外，则是我也向他提出了我自己一直以来的几个困惑，核心的一个问题，就是如何面对互联网上各式各样的声音，如何自处，如何保持多元主义的立场，同时不被唯我主义者击倒。整个聊天，是从他的新书《做一个清醒的现代人》开始的。一起来听听看吧。
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