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今周刊採訪團隊走進張淑芬畫室，與她聊聊女人的處世之道。 ----- ●主持人 | 今周刊Podcast運營中心總監潘怡靜 ●與談人 | 今周刊數位內容部記者林韋伶 ●受訪者 | 台積電慈善基金會董事長張淑芬 ●本集重點 | 張淑芬在訪談中提到女性的柔軟力量 ： 1與人相處，人生不是什麼都要贏：張淑芬認為女人「不要老是抱著『我一定要贏過你』的心態，應該讓人感受到你的溫暖、溫度、溫柔。」 2老伴相持，就是簡單幸福：與張忠謀結褵逾20年，「到我們這個年紀，任何時候都可能失掉對方，不忍心把他掐到，只想摸他、疼他…每天都感恩有今天。」 -- Hosting provided by SoundOn
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