4DCA Division 1 Oral Argument - 2025/12/09 - Dec 09, 2025

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4DCA Division 1 Oral Argument - 2025/12/09

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What procedural steps are taken before the oral arguments begin?

Martha 10:35
Good morning. This is Martha from the clerk's office. I'll be doing a quick check-in for those of you appearing remotely. It looks like we only have one person. If you can unmute yourselves and turn on your video, please.
Don Lawson 10:48
This is Don Lawson.
Martha 10:50
Yes, good morning, Mr. Lawson. OK,
Don Lawson 10:52
so I
Martha 10:52
just want to just remind you that if I'm going to ask you that you keep your microphone and video off until your case is called. If you experience any technical difficulties during the oral argument session, immediately exit the video conference and use the phone number and the access code that I emailed you this morning. OK, so if you can just keep your microphone and your video off until your case is called. Court will be
Don Lawson 11:16
with us shortly. I do have a question for you. I see in the top, there's like a brown thing over there. Is that going to be a problem? You see that in the top corner? Just a little brown image?
Ann Rao 11:30
No.
Don Lawson 11:32
You don't think that'll be a problem?
Ann Rao 11:34
Over the bench or where?
Don Lawson 11:36
No, on my image, I see off to what would be my left side, there's some kind of little brown
Ann Rao 11:44
No, that's on your video because it's not in the courtroom. I don't see
Don Lawson 11:48
it over the bench. Let me see. Okay, there we go. I think I got it.
Ann Rao 11:54
Okay, that's fine
Don Lawson 11:55
as
Ann Rao 11:56
long as we can see you.
Don Lawson 11:57
And are we probably going to get started about 9? 9,
Martha 12:01
yes. I just wanted to make sure that you understood that just keep your microphone and video off and if
Ann Rao 12:07
you have any technical difficulties to use that email, the access code and the phone number I sent you this morning. I'm sorry.
Don Lawson 12:14
And I know that you don't have an obligation to tell me this, but I don't see the other side. Are they going to be in court? Are they appearing remotely? Do you know?
Ann Rao 12:24
They are appearing in person. But, yeah, they're not in here yet. We'll start at 9.
Don Lawson 12:30
Great. Okay? Very good. Thank you.
Ann Rao 12:32
You're welcome. Bye.
my card or not.
Martha 19:10
No, we do not. Okay.
I've given myself away
Unknown 19:15
as not
a ritual appellate
Unknown 19:17
lawyer. No, no, we don't.
Christopher Lindsay 20:25
Before we get started this morning, the appellate table is to my right. When you come up to argue, please make sure you adjust the podium using the switcher on the right-hand side so the microphone is pointing to your chin. If you don't, the
Unknown 20:37
justices
Christopher Lindsay 20:38
on the bench will not be able to hear you, and they'll stop you in the argument having properly adjusted. If you use the restroom, you have to come back through screening to come inside the courtroom. Any questions for me? Well, appreciate it. Thanks. Thank you.
Unknown 27:08
Good morning. Welcome to the Court of Appeal. With me on this first panel are Justice Ariane to my right, Justice Doe to my left. We will have one panel change, but on all the matters that are before the Court, keep in mind we're very familiar with your briefs, and so just highlight those issues you think are most important. We're going to start this morning with Riches v. Stone, and I gather appellant is appearing remotely. Appellant, please state your appearance and let us know if you wish to reserve time to respond.
Don Lawson 27:47
Yes, I
John Williams 27:47
am Don
Don Lawson 27:47
Lawson for Rebecca Lynn Riches, and I do wish to reserve some time to respond.
Unknown 27:53
How much time?
Don Lawson 27:56
Four minutes.
Unknown 27:57
OK, thank you. You may proceed.
Don Lawson 28:01
Rebecca Lynn Riches' case is not about the misreading of a diagnostic image. That's important because we do have a defendant radiologist, but this is not about radiology per se. This is about a delay that the radiologist did in transmitting the report to the emergency room physician. Riches came to the emergency room was sent off for an image and an hour and 56 minutes later, Dr. Sohn produced the report to a Dr. Kim, who was actually the emergency room physician. The Dr. Liu is the expert witness for the defendants. Basically, their entire case is based upon his report. He also appears to misunderstand the case as a misreading of a diagnostic image because he fails to address the hour and 56 minute delay
Don Lawson 29:14
In his opinion, which is in the transcript at page 309, 3311, paragraph 4, he states that it's his opinion that the care and treatment was appropriate within the standard of care, but he doesn't mention that there was an hour and 56 minute delay

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