4DCA Division 1 Oral Argument - 2026/02/10 - Feb 10, 2026

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4DCA Division 1 Oral Argument - 2026/02/10

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What does the clerk’s opening check‑in cover at the beginning of the session?

Martha 12:47
Good morning, this is Martha from the clerk's office. I will be doing a quick check in for those of you appearing remotely. If you can please unmute your microphones and turn on your videos. And please state your presence when I call your name. Have attorney Cliff Schneider.
Michael Hatlavik 13:06
Yes, I am here.
Martha 13:09
Attorney Steven Descheroon.
Unknown 13:13
Yes, good morning, I'm here.
Martha 13:14
Good morning. Attorney Damon Willins?
Unknown 13:17
Good
Damon Willins 13:17
morning.
Martha 13:19
Attorney Nathan Franson.
Damon Willins 13:22
Yes, good morning.
Martha 13:23
Okay. So I'm gonna ask you that you please keep your microphones and videos off until your case is called. If you have any uh experience any technical difficulties during the oral argument session, immediately exit the video conference and use the phone number and the access code that I emailed you this morning. If you can please turn off your microphones and your videos and court will be with you shortly. Thank you.
Unknown 13:46
Thank you.
Michael Aguirre 14:33
Working patrol, taking crashes, you know, ruining people's days by writing tickets. Yeah. So uh no,
James Parker 14:39
I I
Michael Aguirre 14:39
think it's good. Doug d is this uh permanent or part
James Parker 14:42
time?
Michael Aguirre 14:42
Uh
James Parker 14:42
it's uh part time but temporary. No, it I mean it's as permanent as I want it to be, which is which is not very
Stephen Brunoli 14:49
Common, but I have control right.
Michael Aguirre 14:53
Yeah, I'll get it. Well well congratulations. Are you a San Diegan? Uh no, I went to I went to Raspberry San Diego. Where'd you go? I do. So uh
Josh Caston 15:07
many years
Michael Aguirre 15:07
ago
Unknown 15:07
though. It came from yeah, I came from um
James Parker 15:11
Thousand Oaks were in the Orange County uh San Diego.
Michael Aguirre 15:14
You know, Thousand Oaks, isn't that where Cal News is? That's where I went. So I might I I was a football player in Phoenix. I'm actually from San Diego, but I went I went to a Jesuit school for Phoenix and and then uh then a public school. And our quarterback Jim Kidwell Walked around our campus when he got a football scholarship to go to Cal Lizard. Oh, is that right? Oh. Yes, we're
James Parker 15:41
wrong undergrad. I mean it was close to home.
Michael Aguirre 15:42
Did you ever go to the games? Uh yeah, I went to a couple
James Parker 15:44
games when
Michael Aguirre 15:45
I was
James Parker 15:45
there. Yeah. Is it
Michael Aguirre 15:46
a good school spirit or it's uh I mean it's it's a small it's a small private school. Is it a Lutheran? Is it is it's got the Catholic Lutheran, I mean I was But I mean is it Christian in the sense of the the uh have that type I went to Catholic school my whole life, so you well you're not you weren't forced
Josh Caston 16:01
to go to to the
Michael Aguirre 16:02
chapel there. Um but you you had
Josh Caston 16:05
to take some courses. That was the only
Michael Aguirre 16:07
thing. This is a difference between a Cal Lutheran and a Jesuit school.
Unknown 16:16
What PLU?
Stephen Brunoli 16:17
Um I'm from a Oh we did.
Michael Aguirre 16:23
St. John's.
Michael Aguirre 16:30
Well Lucy was a real troublemaker. I kinda like her.
James Parker 16:34
Yeah, if you you went to general, yeah. Uh good morning folks. Uh a couple
Maurice Bambu 16:39
things before we get started here for argument attorneys this morning. This is gonna be the pallet side, this is gonna be the respondent side. As you can see, a
James Parker 16:47
water is provided at the council table. Uh if you find that more thirsty and you're still seated, please uh make your way out around the corner of the men's restaurant where the drinking pallets are. Uh when you approach the podium here. You have a little switch, moves this up and down. Do your best to adjust this to your desired height so that you're able to speak in the microphone that allows the justices to hear you and the proceedings are recorded. Uh we'll see if you're pleased, no um if you smuggled in some water, please no drinking that. Uh if you no no chewing gum or eating or any snacks like that, no dozing off, uh, and try to keep conversation too to. Yeah. Uh any questions.
Lily 17:36
uh city.
Michael Aguirre 17:42
It's a vibe.
Stephen Brunoli 17:46
I'm Mike.
Joseph Stewart 17:54
I'm sorry, you call me first case up?
Ruth Bader Ginsburg 17:56
Yes. Yes, just be already. Very good.
Michael Aguirre 18:27
You know, in Sacramento they there's I was I have a case in Sacramento and this the the judge said we prefer that you not be here. Not not me personally, although I'm sure that's probably report too, but no, but I mean that they actually don't want you to come even though it's we'll work.
Akhtar Casimyar 20:06
So is it one week a month, technical argument, one week a month?
Michael Aguirre 20:13
Yeah, we're just
Akhtar Casimyar 20:20
Luke is it really does it work aside the issues of gender?
Michael Aguirre 20:25
That's it, I guess. I hope someday that we have a an actual building for the court, you know, a separate

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