Planning Commission 9/20/2023 - Sep 20, 2023

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What changes were proposed for curbside pickup signage and parking requirements?

Ms. Wilson 0:00

So what we had heard from industry and community stakeholders, we had met with both the CDC and DORAC in the early spring and summer and we had brought this text forward to them and they offered the following feedback. They suggested to remove the count towards minimum parking requirements. So originally we had a statement in the zoning text that this curbside pickup would not count towards minimum parking requirements. They had issues with that. And so we went back to transportation and asked, is this an issue? And they said, no, we can take that provision out. So right now, this provision would not require a space in addition to the minimum parking requirements by square footage. We also heard from the business community that they wanted both a provision that allows both freestanding and facade signage for curbside parking.

Ms. Wilson 1:02

And I'm gonna be talking about this towards the end of the presentation, but we had also heard from the business community to consider an amendment that includes a suggestion for design criteria for all drive-throughs and to sort of revisit the special use requirement for drive-throughs in total. So I'll be talking about that a little bit later. So as far as the signage related to these curbside pickup, right now the text that we've prepared for you all this evening, the permitted signs includes one per parking space, either freestanding or facade sign. The individual max sign area is two square feet, and the max sign height is eight square feet or eight feet, sorry, for freestanding signs. I think a question that we're kind of grappling with right now is we want to make sure that we consider the community design impacts of having larger signs.

Ms. Wilson 2:01

So that's why we didn't want to go overboard with a large sign like eight feet, for example. But we do realize that two square feet might be a little bit limiting for standard sizes of signage and for customers to orient themselves to a curbside pickup space. We wanted to be intentional about the proliferation of signage, especially on facade signage, and that's why we didn't feel like eight feet was appropriate. So I'd like to open up the discussion at the end of my presentation to kind of get your opinion on what size you think would be appropriate for signage of these uses. Um, perhaps we land somewhere in the middle, maybe it's three feet or four feet, but to give you some ideas of kind of what these look like, I'm sure you've seen them.

Ms. Wilson 2:52

They're all over, you know, major shopping centers in the county, big box stores. Uh, the, the top left is a target example. the top left and right. The bottom left, I believe, is the Safeway over here on Prince William Parkway, and the bottom right is Panera's curbside pickup. So there's a variation in the size of the signage, but in all these examples, this would meet the definition of curbside parking in a designated parking space. So in these pictures, we're proposing these would be allowed by right and they would no longer need a special use permit so other examples of curbside picking curbside pickup this is a walmart walmart example so curbside pickup in walmart is both they have both freestanding signs and then facade signs that are closer to the building as you can see on the bottom right and the bottom

Ms. Wilson 4:01

right and left picture, those signage would be more than two square feet. So that's kind of what the difference in size is kind of what we're grappling with right now is what we should allow in terms of the size of the signage for curbside pickup. Other examples of signage, I think pictures is worth a thousand words. So I put a lot of pictures in here, but Other typical signs you'll see, the left is I believe Mission Barbecue and the right is Best Buy. So really a variation of signage sizes, but they're all in curbside pickup locations at a designated parking spot. These are other examples of similar signs that aren't necessarily curbside pickup per se, but they're spots reserved for different types of uses or people I should say one and reserve veterans parking customers with child parking and then reserve veteran parking.