Aaron Calafato

You had a transition point, and this person obviously is building something on the side.

With you, between the end of that story and the beginning of the new one, were you building something on the side, or did that just start after you hit that moment of, oh, crap, and then you had to start from scratch?

What was that pivot in your story?

You got us fired up here.

I'm about to flip a table because what I resonate with you, you're hustling.

I hustle too.

I got a competitive fire in me.

You won't believe, but check this out.

You have, it sounds like this story that we keep oscillating between on this show, which is art listeners for the most part are job seekers, meaning we're all seeking, right?

So they're on the one side of job seeking where it's really aggressive and active, or they're just looking or they're building.

And what we've talked about on this show is there's two different paradigms here.

There's one, which is an intrapreneur.

Sort of what you built within Hewitt, right?

You built and you worked your way up within the corporate structure.

And then there's other folks like myself, the horror stories where I couldn't fit into the corporate space because I was so entrepreneurial.

I cannibalized my own efforts within that.

So I just wanted to say for you, you have this competitive fire.

Did you recognize that?

even within Hewitt, like if you got laid off today or whatever, if like so many people getting left, would you go back into the corporate space or did you just know what the launch of the podcast and what happened afterwards?

I'm built to be my own entrepreneur.