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Aaron Retica

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419 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

Podcast Appearances

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

And Vance even admitted that, well, he said, you know, you got to tell stories.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

Although emblematic of our era in so many ways.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

He is a deluded manipulator.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

What's interesting about the 2020 lies, whether or not you think that Trump believes them or

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

or whether he didn't and then he does.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

What's interesting about it is that the loyalty test is stronger if you know that in reality, he lost the election, and you're still willing to say, as people in Congress did, that, yeah, actually, we're not gonna certify those results, even though they know perfectly well that they were legit, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

That's actually the more powerful move, right, to get people to acknowledge a non-reality, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

And this is why people are always making

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

references to Eastern Europe, to the history of Latin America, and even to Hitler and Mussolini and all the rest of it, because making someone believe something they know is not true is a bigger power move than getting them to acknowledge something that's true.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

And watching last night, that was something I was thinking about, too, because they're trying to get people to...

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

Accept a reality, obey a reality, acknowledge a reality that doesn't exist.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

And sometimes that works, but it often doesn't, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

It decays.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

It's always what people do.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

in their second terms, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

They get sick of trying to do things that are hard, which is legislative, and just start winging it because they have more control over that.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

That seems to be where Trump is.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

Yeah.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

I mean, the impeachment thing also, I think, is significant because he went, I forget whether it was before the Republican House, but maybe it was some Senate thing, where, you know, he's talking to the members behind closed doors, but everything always leaks.

The Ezra Klein Show
Trump’s Fantasy State of the Union

And he said to them, you know, if you lose, they're going to impeach me a third time.