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Aaron Retica

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The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

Like, is this something that they're going to always have on the edge of expectation that actually can't be done, that they can motivate their base?

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

Like, is this something that they're going to always have on the edge of expectation that actually can't be done, that they can motivate their base?

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

I know Roe did get done, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

I know Roe did get done, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

Right. So the case you were referring to, Wong Kim Ark, from 1898, if I'm remembering correctly. I won't go into the details of the case, but the gist of it is, guy was born in San Francisco, went to visit his parents in China, tried to come back to the U.S., was blocked, eventually was granted the right to stay here because he was a citizen. The court that decided that...

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

Right. So the case you were referring to, Wong Kim Ark, from 1898, if I'm remembering correctly. I won't go into the details of the case, but the gist of it is, guy was born in San Francisco, went to visit his parents in China, tried to come back to the U.S., was blocked, eventually was granted the right to stay here because he was a citizen. The court that decided that...

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

was also more or less the court that decided Plessy v. Ferguson. This is not like some kind of Warren liberal court, right? So even if they imagine that they have some sort of capture of the Supreme Court, which they do, it is a little hard to imagine them doing that. But again, we don't know, right? And as you say, that maybe they're just – maybe it's all horse drag. Everything's a deal, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

was also more or less the court that decided Plessy v. Ferguson. This is not like some kind of Warren liberal court, right? So even if they imagine that they have some sort of capture of the Supreme Court, which they do, it is a little hard to imagine them doing that. But again, we don't know, right? And as you say, that maybe they're just – maybe it's all horse drag. Everything's a deal, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

So even law is a deal. We're going to propose – X number of things. And even the debate is a win in a way. Right. That's what I was going to say. Right.

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

So even law is a deal. We're going to propose – X number of things. And even the debate is a win in a way. Right. That's what I was going to say. Right.

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

He says he doesn't want wars, but he did say, and this was really the biggest difference, right, from the first time around, territorial expansion. Europe went unmentioned in the inaugural address. But as you said, he did talk about the Panama Canal. There's obviously been a lot of chatter about Greenland. What's happening here? He's talked about Canada. He's talked about Mexico, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

He says he doesn't want wars, but he did say, and this was really the biggest difference, right, from the first time around, territorial expansion. Europe went unmentioned in the inaugural address. But as you said, he did talk about the Panama Canal. There's obviously been a lot of chatter about Greenland. What's happening here? He's talked about Canada. He's talked about Mexico, right?

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

So it's the North American continent plus whatever we want to do in South America. And Mars. And plus Mars. Plus Mars. Exactly. So it's manifest destiny, a man of destiny, and whatever we call the destiny of Mars. Right. What do you see him doing with all of this?

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

So it's the North American continent plus whatever we want to do in South America. And Mars. And plus Mars. Plus Mars. Exactly. So it's manifest destiny, a man of destiny, and whatever we call the destiny of Mars. Right. What do you see him doing with all of this?

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

Right. So on one side, you have like, right, Stephen Miller and Stephen Bannon and all those people. And on the other side, you have all these tech people.

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

Right. So on one side, you have like, right, Stephen Miller and Stephen Bannon and all those people. And on the other side, you have all these tech people.

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

Let's stay with the tech people for a minute, more than a minute. There they were, right, in the front. Governor Abbott of Texas was in the overflow room. Governor DeSantis of Florida was in the overflow room. A message was clearly being sent.

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

Let's stay with the tech people for a minute, more than a minute. There they were, right, in the front. Governor Abbott of Texas was in the overflow room. Governor DeSantis of Florida was in the overflow room. A message was clearly being sent.

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

If you're fomenting a coup, I guess is how I'll put it, right, you want to seize the presidential palace and you want to get the Congress and you want to seize the means of communication. And there they were, right, in the front row. So what's happening there is an understanding of how much the means of communication and attention, as you're always talking about it, is that the key now?

The Ezra Klein Show
So That's What 'Make America Great Again' Means

If you're fomenting a coup, I guess is how I'll put it, right, you want to seize the presidential palace and you want to get the Congress and you want to seize the means of communication. And there they were, right, in the front row. So what's happening there is an understanding of how much the means of communication and attention, as you're always talking about it, is that the key now?