Aaron Retica

And how do you make that point most emphatically is if he gets to a weak enough point, you start to see Republicans peel off.

And I know this sounds insane right now, but it's not.

And I see that he fears it, that there could be, as there should have been, certainly the second time around, enough Republicans voting to

actually convict him if he's impeached a third time.

I know I'm getting way out into the future here, but I actually think he's afraid of that.

Right, he made a joke about that.

Yeah.

And that was just about the tariffs.

That was an undersold or under-recognized joy of the tariffs for him is that it makes personal negotiations crucial, right?

So this Rolex has the Swiss have to show up with this Rolex gold bar to get their tariff lowered that's given to him.

I hate maybe to end on Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer, but I think we got to stop there.

So thank you very much, Ezra.

Thank you, Aaron.

I'm Aaron Redica, an editor-at-large for New York Times Opinion.

I'm here with Emily Bazelon and David French, both of whom teach the occasional class in the law, but they work full-time here as writers for the New York Times on legal and other political subjects.

Hi, guys.

Hi, Aaron.

So, David, you're in Nashville right now.

What's what's doing down there?

So I want to cast us back to,