Aaron Smith-Levin

Ron Hubbard didn't leave anything behind.

Does David Miscavige believe they exist?

Oh, no, he knows they don't exist.

Meaning, when I say exist, oh, I don't mean do advanced levels of spiritual awareness exist.

When I said exist, I mean, did L. Ron Hubbard write down what anyone is supposed to do that's called OT9?

That doesn't exist.

Oh, you mean his faith that only L. Ron Hubbard could have ever been the one to do it.

That what exactly?

To the best of my ability to know that I believe it to be true.

I'll give you small, even stupid examples.

Mike Rinder's told a story where at the international base, Miscavige actually had a copper contraption built into the ground, grounded into the ground, to come out where you could hold it.

And here's something he sort of came up with to, it could ground your BTs.

Could get your BTs that if you were feeling overstimulated or something, I'm probably slightly bastardizing this story, but he came up with this as a great idea, something to help someone de-stimulate if their BTs were getting a little too overactive.

Now, so that, that, that's a stupid story.

That's sort of like, well, it shows you, he believes in the concept of BTs of he's creating little rods to get rid of them, to ground them into the earth.

Yeah, the conversation about David Miscavige gets really interesting because I could give you a, if I wanted to make the argument that he didn't believe, I could give you a dozen examples to make that argument.

I just happen to think that he believes in a different way, whereas your average Scientologist

believes that Alvaron Hubbard was practically infallible, that he thought of everything in advance.

He took care of everything before he left.

And Miscavige still believes in like the main structure of this thing, but he's like, oh shit, it's falling to me to figure out how to actually make this thing happen.