Aaron Smith-Levin

I think Miscavige sees himself as someone who has to a certain degree had to go back and fix Alvaron Hubbard's mistakes.

I do.

I think in his own way, he does.

I don't think he wakes up thinking he's screwing Scientologists.

I think he sees everyone else as screwing him.

I think he sees that it is his job to expand Scientology throughout the world and accomplish the aims of Scientology, and he sees that it's not happening, and he thinks if everyone else would just stop, if everyone else would get out of his way and stop creating problems for him, it would happen.

I do think he sees himself as someone who is doing good.

I think that's fair to say.

Without question.

Have you seen sort of evidence of that, that he's changed over time?

After the 1993 IRS exemption that Scientology won back,

And this information comes from Mike Rinder.

That's when David Miscavige, as soon as the checks on his power were removed, Miscavige's behavior changed markedly.

Yeah.

So Shelly Miscavige for many years held the job of her post in this organization was David Miscavige's assistant.

That was her post.

It's important to truly understand that and what that means because the fact that she was Miscavige's wife is meaningless.

And this is something that's hard to, for regular people in the regular world to truly grasp how meaningless it is in Scientology.

For Sea Org members who are spouses, it means nothing.

Your role matters more within Sea Org.