Abbas Amanat

That's 43 years later, he claims that the children, 16, 17 years, 20 years old,

kids in the street are the grandchildren or children of some imaginary survival of the Shah Security Force.

Yes, and they are misled.

As far as they can go.

I don't think even they have that kind of imagination.

precise to say what you have said.

That they would say that they're controlling the narrative.

They basically say, no, these are agents.

of the foreign powers.

And their families are all sold out and they are basically lost their loyalties to the great Islamic Republic.

And therefore, they can be treated so brutally.

They can be suppressed so brutally.

Which I haven't actually said what they are doing because I thought perhaps first we should talk about who these kids are in the streets before we move on about the response of the government.

But

One major factor which seems to add to the anxiety of... Well, the regime is extremely anxious now because they're in a position... This shows that they don't have the lack of confidence, in a sense, that they would see them reacting in a very forceful way because basically they don't seem to have...

that kind of confidence to allow this message or the movement to be aired.

But the one element which corresponds to that is that there is an expatriate population of Iranians worldwide.

There are probably now, according to some estimates, close to 4 million, even more, Iranians abroad.

And they're all over the world, from Australia and New Zealand, Japan,

Western Europe, Turkey, and United States and Canada.