Abigail (Abby) Marsh

And he finally makes it back out of the house and collapses into the yard where he was taken by ambulance to the hospital with injuries from smoke inhalation and second degree burns to his hands.

Absolutely.

So I think when we look at acts of courage like this from the outside, it's not obvious to us how the person is feeling on the inside.

And we often assume, well, I would be too afraid to do that.

That person must not have been afraid at all.

And some of the quotes on social media were really interesting.

hilarious in painting booker as this you know impervious to fear superhero um you know one of my favorite was uh when chuck norris the action hero has nightmares cory booker turns on the lights and sits with him until he falls asleep yeah one of my other favorites is somebody who posted cory booker isn't afraid of the dark the dark is afraid of cory booker

Absolutely not.

In every interview he gave after what happened, he was very honest about how terrified he had been throughout.

And I think it's really important to distinguish between people who are truly fearless, which is really a form of recklessness to not even log the danger that you're confronting in a scary situation, and people who are brave.

And people who are brave are people who recognize that there's a danger to themselves, who might feel quite frightened on their own behalf, but who realize that there's something more important than their fear for themselves and who act anyways in the face of their fear.

And that's real virtue.

And I hope that people can appreciate just how often real heroes are very frightened and they're acting anyhow.

Absolutely.

I've worked with many altruistic kidney donors who have true phobias of needles.

One 19-year-old altruistic kidney donor that we worked with would often faint when she got blood draws.

She was so frightened of needles.

And of course, you get a lot of blood draws in the process of donating a kidney.

But because she cared much more about the welfare of the person whose life she would be saving than she cared about her own discomfort or fear in the moment, it just didn't bother her that she would have to feel a little fear and discomfort in order to help.

That's exactly right.