Adam Grant

And one of the things you made me realize, Renee, we haven't talked about this, is I normally just skip right from step one to step three.

We do this thing, it's wrong, therefore we should do the other thing.

And you always want to pause and say, why aren't we?

What's the barrier?

Why is this hard?

Yeah.

Yeah, you are a fast moralizer.

Which is so funny because I have a narrower version of that problem.

When somebody believes something that I have strong conviction is false,

I think it's my job to rescue them from that incorrect belief.

It is public service.

I'm like, if I can just help you see that astrology is bunk and the earth is not flat.

Your life will be so much better.

You will be less wrong.

And what I don't think about is, wow, not only do you have to abandon a belief system that you've invested a lot in, but also you might lose your entire community who shares those beliefs.

Yeah.

And so it never occurs to me to say, hey,

come on over here to the round earthers.

There are a lot of interesting people and some new ideas that are going to help you.

Or, hey, I think the purpose of astrology is for you, part religion and part psychology.