Are You a Preacher, Prosecutor, Scientist, or Politician?
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The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
58 min
5 speakers
8 chapters
transcribed 4 months ago
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What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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I think you're more emotional than you think.
I think that's probably true. But I'm so much less emotional than most people that it's easy to stereotype myself as lacking affect.
I think that little feeling box is busting at the seams. And I think in just in no time whatsoever, it's going to just boof.
How does emotional hypothesis-testing help under pressure?
And then we're going to have like a moating, touchy-feely Adam Grant. I think that's coming.
Yeah, I'm waiting for the data on that. I don't buy it.
That's okay. You can wait on the data. I see it. My emotional me sees emotional you. Welcome to The Curiosity Shop.
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Hi, everybody. I'm Brene Brown.
And I am still Adam Grant.
It's good to see you, Adam.
Same. What are you wearing?
What are the four mental modes discussed in this episode?
That looks like a soccer football jersey.
This is my Liverpool Football Club sweatshirt. Rough season, but we won the derby against Everton. This is big news. And so I am celebrating my team because, as we both know, celebrating small successes and wins, this is a big win though, is important despite the larger context of a tougher season. So go Reds.
What is Brené Brown's 'bounce' method?
Thanks.
Way to end on a high note.
I mean, I love my Liverpool Football Club very, very much, very, very dearly. Okay, I pitched this idea to you for this podcast today because it's one of your frameworks. It's been really meaningful to me and it's stressing me out.
That's my goal in life. I wake up in the morning thinking, how do I stress Brene Brown out today? I know. You're winning.
How do our beliefs impact our decision-making?
I'll create a framework.
Okay, let's go to the framework that's pissing me off. Segway. I'm telling you why. I'm telling you why this is pissing me off. This is a framework that was, when did you write, when did this come out and think again?
I think it came out early 2021. So I guess I was writing it in 2019 and 20.
Okay.
What are the social costs of changing our minds?
And this is a framework around modes. Is modes a fair word? Modes that we can enter. Specifically, politician mode, preacher mode, prosecutor mode, and scientist mode. And one of the reasons why it's really frustrating to me right now is, and I wanna know what your reflection is on this. In the world right now, with everything that's going on, I need, my nervous system needs more scientist mode in myself and others. And it is waning, dude. It is scientist mode.
How can we stay curious when the stakes are high?
Even my scientist friends are going into politician preaching and prosecutor mode. Are you observing this or is it just, I mean, I know there's an attack on science, but just in the way that people are presenting arguments and talking about issues, are you seeing this?
I would love to actually love to see Tate on this, but from my observation, yeah, I think, well, I think it's, you know, it's probably worth just saying preaching, prosecuting, and politicking, they happen a lot under threat. So somebody attacks one of my beliefs and I think I need to now start serving the Kool-Aid that I've been drinking for years. That's preacher mode. Somebody makes an argument I don't think is persuasive and I lock into prosecutor mode and I try to win the case. And I realize I need people's approval and I start politicking and lobbying people and flattering them and brown nosing and doing whatever I can to appease my audience. And that's that's politician mode. And I think that we live in a world that is creating threats that make all of those modes more sensible in the moment than they might be if there was less flux or less stress.
Because when the world is changing under your feet, it's really helpful to feel like you have some ideals to preach. And when somebody makes an argument that your job isn't going to exist, it gives you a sense of confidence and security to prosecute them. And when you're wondering whether you're going to have support from a group of people, appeasing them, appealing to them, gives you a sense of belonging.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
0:00–0:46
2
How does emotional hypothesis-testing help under pressure?
0:46–1:23
3
What are the four mental modes discussed in this episode?
1:23–1:48
4
What is Brené Brown's 'bounce' method?
1:48–2:24
5
How do our beliefs impact our decision-making?
2:24–2:53
6
What are the social costs of changing our minds?
2:53–3:40
7
How can we stay curious when the stakes are high?
3:40–22:39
8
How does AI influence our mental modes?
22:39–58:54
Speakers
5 identifiedMore from The Curiosity Shop with Brené Brown and Adam Grant
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