Adam Grant

But here's the thing, Rene.

I know, you're just, just take the bait so quickly.

Here's, I think, the important point, actually.

I think I've never really thought about this before, but I think we should treat our beliefs as provisional.

I think the more that our thoughts are like hunches or tentative opinions, the easier it is to treat them as hypotheses and then run the little experiments to find out during the bounce or during the analysis, however you do it, what might be the values aligned choice.

And I think we're just too eager to say, well, this is what I believe.

And I'm going to shout it from the rooftops.

I'm going to post it all over my social media.

And everybody's going to know what I stand for.

And the moment you put that out there, you are trapping yourself in a prison of your own making because you have made a public commitment to now adhering to that belief.

And of course, if we lived in a world that made it easier to admit that we were wrong and treated that as a sign of growth as opposed to a mark of stupidity or ignorance, that would be less of a problem.

But I don't think we live in that world.

I think you and I both have micro-communities of people who actually dole out respect when somebody admits they were wrong, right?

Yeah, for sure.

We just did an episode where you said, I was totally wrong about humiliation.

Yeah.

And I was shocked at first.

And then I thought, wow, that's a mark of a real scholar.

Brene not only changed her mind, she put it out there and said she got it wrong.

But most people lose status for admitting that, or they fear they'll lose status for admitting that, and so they don't.