Adam Howard

I wonder, when you reflect back on this, what do you think about what took place and did this experience in any way change your perspective on the holiday of Christmas?

I wonder, when you reflect back on this, what do you think about what took place and did this experience in any way change your perspective on the holiday of Christmas?

That's my father, M. William Howard Jr., the former president of the National Council of Churches. He went on to be active in the anti-apartheid movement, became president of the New York Theological Seminary, and grandfather to my two adorable daughters. That's the New Yorker Radio Hour for today. Thank you for listening. David Remnick will be back next week.

That's my father, M. William Howard Jr., the former president of the National Council of Churches. He went on to be active in the anti-apartheid movement, became president of the New York Theological Seminary, and grandfather to my two adorable daughters. That's the New Yorker Radio Hour for today. Thank you for listening. David Remnick will be back next week.

That's my father, M. William Howard Jr., the former president of the National Council of Churches. He went on to be active in the anti-apartheid movement, became president of the New York Theological Seminary, and grandfather to my two adorable daughters. That's the New Yorker Radio Hour for today. Thank you for listening. David Remnick will be back next week.

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We had help this week from Aaron Dalton.

We had help this week from Aaron Dalton.

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Along with Fergus McIntosh and the heroic team of fact-checkers at The New Yorker. Victor Guan is our art director. And Diego Malo created many of the illustrations on our website. Fabio Bertone provides legal review.

Along with Fergus McIntosh and the heroic team of fact-checkers at The New Yorker. Victor Guan is our art director. And Diego Malo created many of the illustrations on our website. Fabio Bertone provides legal review.

Kenya Young is the Senior Vice President at New York Public Radio. The New Yorker Radio Hour is supported in part by the Cherena Endowment Fund.

Kenya Young is the Senior Vice President at New York Public Radio. The New Yorker Radio Hour is supported in part by the Cherena Endowment Fund.

Kenya Young is the Senior Vice President at New York Public Radio. The New Yorker Radio Hour is supported in part by the Cherena Endowment Fund.

The Catholic Church was made for this moment. I think 2,000 years ago, the Catholic Church basically anticipated TikTok, Instagram, X. You don't have those little Swiss guard outfits and think they're not being photographed. Oil painting is not enough.

The Catholic Church was made for this moment. I think 2,000 years ago, the Catholic Church basically anticipated TikTok, Instagram, X. You don't have those little Swiss guard outfits and think they're not being photographed. Oil painting is not enough.

The Catholic Church was made for this moment. I think 2,000 years ago, the Catholic Church basically anticipated TikTok, Instagram, X. You don't have those little Swiss guard outfits and think they're not being photographed. Oil painting is not enough.

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

This is the New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.