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Adam Kinzinger

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The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And so pulling that back and saying, wait, I did something wrong, that's very hard for people to do, regardless of ideology, regardless of background. And the Trump administration, the Trump people understand this.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And so pulling that back and saying, wait, I did something wrong, that's very hard for people to do, regardless of ideology, regardless of background. And the Trump administration, the Trump people understand this.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And so pulling that back and saying, wait, I did something wrong, that's very hard for people to do, regardless of ideology, regardless of background. And the Trump administration, the Trump people understand this.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And they've sort of recruited people into this emotional sort of sunk cost situation where reversing yourself would mean acknowledging that you have been a party to some pretty terrible things and that that says something not necessarily positive about you as a person.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And they've sort of recruited people into this emotional sort of sunk cost situation where reversing yourself would mean acknowledging that you have been a party to some pretty terrible things and that that says something not necessarily positive about you as a person.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And they've sort of recruited people into this emotional sort of sunk cost situation where reversing yourself would mean acknowledging that you have been a party to some pretty terrible things and that that says something not necessarily positive about you as a person.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

It's easier to understand what's going on with Trump if you follow sports. You know, because there are teams that people root for and there are teams that people hate and they want to see fail. And when those teams fail, they love to like go online and make fun of their fans. You know what I'm saying? They feel good about it.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

It's easier to understand what's going on with Trump if you follow sports. You know, because there are teams that people root for and there are teams that people hate and they want to see fail. And when those teams fail, they love to like go online and make fun of their fans. You know what I'm saying? They feel good about it.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

It's easier to understand what's going on with Trump if you follow sports. You know, because there are teams that people root for and there are teams that people hate and they want to see fail. And when those teams fail, they love to like go online and make fun of their fans. You know what I'm saying? They feel good about it.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And this is like very much the same dynamic that's happening in politics, except the stakes are real. But I think for people being part of what they feel like is the winning team, the team that's constantly owning the other side, you know, people do like that. I mean, there's a reason why Real Madrid has so many fans. You know what I mean?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And this is like very much the same dynamic that's happening in politics, except the stakes are real. But I think for people being part of what they feel like is the winning team, the team that's constantly owning the other side, you know, people do like that. I mean, there's a reason why Real Madrid has so many fans. You know what I mean?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And this is like very much the same dynamic that's happening in politics, except the stakes are real. But I think for people being part of what they feel like is the winning team, the team that's constantly owning the other side, you know, people do like that. I mean, there's a reason why Real Madrid has so many fans. You know what I mean?

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And so this feeling of like Trump winning and beating everybody, you know, for them, it makes them feel good. It's like a boost to their self-esteem to be part of the quote unquote winning team. And I say this, you know, I'm a big soccer fan. When my team wins, I feel good about myself for the next week. It's stupid. It has nothing to do with me. I'm not doing anything.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And so this feeling of like Trump winning and beating everybody, you know, for them, it makes them feel good. It's like a boost to their self-esteem to be part of the quote unquote winning team. And I say this, you know, I'm a big soccer fan. When my team wins, I feel good about myself for the next week. It's stupid. It has nothing to do with me. I'm not doing anything.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

And so this feeling of like Trump winning and beating everybody, you know, for them, it makes them feel good. It's like a boost to their self-esteem to be part of the quote unquote winning team. And I say this, you know, I'm a big soccer fan. When my team wins, I feel good about myself for the next week. It's stupid. It has nothing to do with me. I'm not doing anything.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

but it is sort of like a human nature thing. And I think they understand that like with the Trump hats, with the red hats, it's like a team sport. They're almost not like Trump fans, Trump supporters, they're Trump fans. And so they feel good when team Trump wins, regardless of what the consequences of that are.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

but it is sort of like a human nature thing. And I think they understand that like with the Trump hats, with the red hats, it's like a team sport. They're almost not like Trump fans, Trump supporters, they're Trump fans. And so they feel good when team Trump wins, regardless of what the consequences of that are.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

but it is sort of like a human nature thing. And I think they understand that like with the Trump hats, with the red hats, it's like a team sport. They're almost not like Trump fans, Trump supporters, they're Trump fans. And so they feel good when team Trump wins, regardless of what the consequences of that are.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

That is part of the sort of hacking of the lizard brain that the Trump folks have done that I think can be hard to understand if you're not a sports fan in some capacity, if you don't like hate another team enough to be happy when they lose.

The Bulwark Podcast
S2 Ep1054: Adam Serwer, Lauren Egan, and Justin Jones: The Attack on Knowledge

That is part of the sort of hacking of the lizard brain that the Trump folks have done that I think can be hard to understand if you're not a sports fan in some capacity, if you don't like hate another team enough to be happy when they lose.