Adam Leventhal

Like if you trust your folks are doing the right thing for themselves and for the team and for the product and for their teammates and so forth, they're doing what they need to do. They're going in four or five days a week, whatever.

But for the folks who are going in three days a week to sit on Zoom calls, for the other folks who are in three days a week in some other location, it just sounds crazy.

But for the folks who are going in three days a week to sit on Zoom calls, for the other folks who are in three days a week in some other location, it just sounds crazy.

Yeah. I mean, all about seaball and cherry races. I mean, or, or it could be, maybe we'll have a dedicated episode for that, but yeah. But now having read the full context, I'd love to hear what other people are seeing in other organizations and how things are changing if there's a return to office mandate or if there's something more progressive and what's motivating these things.

Yeah. I mean, all about seaball and cherry races. I mean, or, or it could be, maybe we'll have a dedicated episode for that, but yeah. But now having read the full context, I'd love to hear what other people are seeing in other organizations and how things are changing if there's a return to office mandate or if there's something more progressive and what's motivating these things.

Oh, we're not even done? Holy smokes.

Oh, we're not even done? Holy smokes.

Yes. There is sort of a Dickensian, like...

Yes. There is sort of a Dickensian, like...

I don't have to take vacation to finish the project?

I don't have to take vacation to finish the project?

We'll split the difference. Take half as vacation. Take them unpaid. That's fine. It's not vacation.

We'll split the difference. Take half as vacation. Take them unpaid. That's fine. It's not vacation.

Amazon is a lot of things, but I don't think they're stupid. And just letting some subset of your employees opt out is pretty stupid. It's an opportunity to make sure that the least productive employees stay and the most productive employees walk out. It is.

Amazon is a lot of things, but I don't think they're stupid. And just letting some subset of your employees opt out is pretty stupid. It's an opportunity to make sure that the least productive employees stay and the most productive employees walk out. It is.

Hmm. I think there's something to that. I think there's something to that. I think you're right about the emotional aspect of it and that sort of shock of like, where is everyone? I think there's a lack of trust, which I would also chalk up into like sort of a paranoia. But I think there may also be like a financial aspect to it, like a sunk cost fallacy. Like we're paying for all this.

Hmm. I think there's something to that. I think there's something to that. I think you're right about the emotional aspect of it and that sort of shock of like, where is everyone? I think there's a lack of trust, which I would also chalk up into like sort of a paranoia. But I think there may also be like a financial aspect to it, like a sunk cost fallacy. Like we're paying for all this.

So why aren't people using it?

So why aren't people using it?

Yeah, I don't think it's crazy at all. I think, yeah, I think there's something to it. I don't know how to sort of evaluate that. I wonder how we'll kind of shake that out over time, but I can definitely keep it in mind.