Adam Leventhal

Yeah.

where the rise of Java was really suffocating because there was this idea and it's like very different.

So I don't want to be too productive here, but with the rise of Java, there was this idea of it's like, it's the end of every other programming language.

Like this is, this is what we're going to do.

And this is kind of crazy to think about that the, because this is, I mean, right.

It is.

It's like, it's, it is, it's, it's humorous now, but it was at the time there was this idea of,

that everything's going to be in Java.

We're going to do the operating systems in Java.

The microprocessors are going to execute Java bytecode.

We are, and I mean, at Sun at the time, it was like, I know this is not right.

And I'd like, Java is like really powerful and important

And it's going to allow many more people to write software.

And I remember thinking at the time, like, well, at least it's the death of C++.

Ha, ha, ha.

But it took a while for people, and some failed experiments, right?

It took Nano Java and Pico Java inside of Sun and a bunch of, and two different OSs inside of Sun and Java.

So there were a bunch of,

like where we got, and then people were like, okay, no, this thing is like, it's important and it has a role, but it's not everything.

Yeah, totally.