Adam Serwer

And he said his parents told him, you know.

And what's happening in Minneapolis right now is kind of the reason we left.

We never thought it would happen here.

So, you know, Stephen Miller says things like migrants recreate the conditions of their broken homelands.

Well, it seemed obvious to me that it wasn't, you know, the immigrants recreating the quote unquote conditions of their broken homelands in the sense of, you know, recreating the conditions of an authoritarian government.

Miller's doing that.

That's what he's doing.

They just happen to recognize it.

I think that the tactics that are being used in Minneapolis in part come from previous protests of police killings like George Floyd and Philando Castile, but they also are tactics that were pioneered in other cities that Trump sent federal immigration agents to.

The thing that has been most effective in standing up to Trump is ordinary people joining with other ordinary people to oppose what they're doing.

You know, refusing civic nonviolent resistance has been the most effective opposition to the Trump administration.

So I think obviously state legislators who are concerned about the safety and civil liberties of their residents will try to figure out a way to legislate.

But ultimately, I think the most effective thing is ordinary people organizing in opposition to this stuff, you know, building on the tactics that have been in use elsewhere.

It was such a pleasure to be here.

Thank you so much for having me.

I refuse to do it.

I refuse to do it.

I'm going to give you the Bart Simpson.

It's funny that that's exactly where you were going, and I didn't even get it.

Anyway, yes.