Adam Stachowiak

Yeah.

I was like, what do you, I, I had a, a wife and a brand new daughter coming, you know?

So in the, in those moments, so like that timeframe for me, I could not, I could not, not survive.

I had to, I had to find a way.

Yeah, I was like, oh, no, no, no, no.

I'm going to do something about it.

I'm going to figure it out.

So I've always been good at connecting the value dots, I would say.

You can call it sales if you want to.

And I think that's the easy, you know, in quotes word you can use.

But I really think I have this uncanny ability to and I've just grown into it in my career and I've leaned into it.

where I've been able to connect the dots between things that just aren't normally connected and express and redefine and help shape that value in those connected dots.

That's great.

I like that story.

Let's go back to you, though.

This is not about me, but I thought we'd at least encapsulate what was happening in 2004 between our lives.

Yeah.

much different perspectives.

Right.

But similar, I would say like we're I'm not a a co-founder or a CEO of a tech startup, but certainly a tech brand.