Adrian Kaler

Sure. So, hey, listeners, thanks for being here. I'm Adrian Kaler. I search for the most meaningful conversations to get leaders into effective action. But I end up coaching fascinating people from all over the world and all different industries. And the one that Ryan's talking about here is a conversation I had yesterday with a leader who's the brand leader of the fastest growing company.

Sure. So, hey, listeners, thanks for being here. I'm Adrian Kaler. I search for the most meaningful conversations to get leaders into effective action. But I end up coaching fascinating people from all over the world and all different industries. And the one that Ryan's talking about here is a conversation I had yesterday with a leader who's the brand leader of the fastest growing company.

cosmetic brand in the country. And she, I got connected to her because she's ex Nike and I coached a bunch of Nike people and she's elevating and elevating and elevating. And, uh, her boss just said to her yesterday, um, make sure you're not mothering your team, her, her executive team. And I had asked her, well, did you ask him what he meant by that? And she said, no, they kind of laughed it off.

cosmetic brand in the country. And she, I got connected to her because she's ex Nike and I coached a bunch of Nike people and she's elevating and elevating and elevating. And, uh, her boss just said to her yesterday, um, make sure you're not mothering your team, her, her executive team. And I had asked her, well, did you ask him what he meant by that? And she said, no, they kind of laughed it off.

And she just assumed she knew what he meant. And I assume I knew what he meant, too, and had lots of commentary about, can I please talk to this guy? Because that's anytime somebody speaks in that much metaphor, they're avoiding conversations. So she has some feedback. He has some feedback for is what I would assert.

And she just assumed she knew what he meant. And I assume I knew what he meant, too, and had lots of commentary about, can I please talk to this guy? Because that's anytime somebody speaks in that much metaphor, they're avoiding conversations. So she has some feedback. He has some feedback for is what I would assert.

But then it got me thinking, got us in a great conversation about what might be missing in our leadership. Because maybe she is overcompensating with the the I don't know, more feminine spirit, which is naturally throughout the ages. This isn't and everybody's different. Right. So don't be offended.

But then it got me thinking, got us in a great conversation about what might be missing in our leadership. Because maybe she is overcompensating with the the I don't know, more feminine spirit, which is naturally throughout the ages. This isn't and everybody's different. Right. So don't be offended.

But, you know, the natural maternal spirit, feminine spirit is one that supports and sees and corrals and connects and attracts and protects. in a certain way and usually more emotionally as a trend. And the male spirit, masculine spirit is more challenge, push, direct, vision, protect with fists or tongue like that.

But, you know, the natural maternal spirit, feminine spirit is one that supports and sees and corrals and connects and attracts and protects. in a certain way and usually more emotionally as a trend. And the male spirit, masculine spirit is more challenge, push, direct, vision, protect with fists or tongue like that.

And that generated a huge conversation about leadership and what might be missing for her. And I coach probably 75% men and 25% badass women. But it does connect into where my commitment is for my clients, which is to be what I call a fierce advocate for them.

And that generated a huge conversation about leadership and what might be missing for her. And I coach probably 75% men and 25% badass women. But it does connect into where my commitment is for my clients, which is to be what I call a fierce advocate for them.

and sometimes that's what's missing in leadership is for men to slow down enough and connect and usually to share and to even confess and clean up the relational side of the business they just think the business strategy and the business plan will win the day and it's not that people and and you know our commitment at our firm take new ground you know we know that people generate all the issues and people solve all the issues and most great leaders

and sometimes that's what's missing in leadership is for men to slow down enough and connect and usually to share and to even confess and clean up the relational side of the business they just think the business strategy and the business plan will win the day and it's not that people and and you know our commitment at our firm take new ground you know we know that people generate all the issues and people solve all the issues and most great leaders

Their dysfunction isn't strategic and it's not intellectual. Their dysfunction is relational. So we've got great job security. And we love that. We're all nerds over here. So we're all very tough alpha dudes. We get that commentary all the time. But also we'll talk about very touchy, deeply emotional, relational context. There's no comfort.

Their dysfunction isn't strategic and it's not intellectual. Their dysfunction is relational. So we've got great job security. And we love that. We're all nerds over here. So we're all very tough alpha dudes. We get that commentary all the time. But also we'll talk about very touchy, deeply emotional, relational context. There's no comfort.

We say in the room, there's no conversation too dangerous for us to be in. So anyway, you're asking what's on my mind. I'm just thinking about how men need to slow down and be more vulnerable in general. Women might need to slow down and say the thing that might, metaphorically speaking, kick the young one out of the nest. Men's dysfunction is get out of here and I don't care if you come back.

We say in the room, there's no conversation too dangerous for us to be in. So anyway, you're asking what's on my mind. I'm just thinking about how men need to slow down and be more vulnerable in general. Women might need to slow down and say the thing that might, metaphorically speaking, kick the young one out of the nest. Men's dysfunction is get out of here and I don't care if you come back.

That's dysfunction. Women's dysfunction is stay here forever and I don't care if you grow. I'm speaking in hyperbole, obviously, but there's lots of room in between that, especially if we mold those together as leaders, which is like, hey, I'm going to connect with you deeply no matter what, even if you don't work for me, I'm here for you. And.

That's dysfunction. Women's dysfunction is stay here forever and I don't care if you grow. I'm speaking in hyperbole, obviously, but there's lots of room in between that, especially if we mold those together as leaders, which is like, hey, I'm going to connect with you deeply no matter what, even if you don't work for me, I'm here for you. And.