Why Most Leaders Fail: The Danger of Avoiding Honest Conversations

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What is the importance of honest conversations in leadership?

Ryan Hanley 0:00
Hello, everyone, and welcome back to the show. We have a tremendous episode for you today, a conversation with Adrian Kaler, co-founder and senior partner at Take New Ground, a leadership consulting firm. And Adrian talks about leadership in a way that I don't think you're used to. We approach topics from angles that...

How can vulnerability enhance leadership effectiveness?

Ryan Hanley 0:26
I've never even considered in the depth and understanding mixed with empathy and energy that Adrian approaches. What he does is going to get you leaning forward in your seat. It's going to get you taking notes and thinking differently about the way you lead your teams. This is a conversation. This conversation. These are the conversations that. This is why I do this podcast, is this conversation right here. I do this podcast to bring you conversations like the one you're about to hear. Enjoy.
Ryan Hanley 1:26
podcast is for free consulting that's that's why everyone wants to pretend like it's about the audience but it's really about free consulting so um you know i asked you the question i ask all uh guests before they come on is there any anything that's like on your brain that's got you kind of thinking or your wheels spinning because

What are the dangers of avoiding difficult conversations?

Ryan Hanley 1:43
As much as I always have a direction, as I told you, I want to talk about the shit that you're fired up about. That's what makes this fun. And you had a conversation with one of your clients, and I'd love for you to just maybe break down what you described to me before I yelled at you to stop so that we could get it on air. Just break that conversation down because I think it's a great place to start.
Adrian Kaler 2:04
Sure. So, hey, listeners, thanks for being here. I'm Adrian Kaler. I search for the most meaningful conversations to get leaders into effective action. But I end up coaching fascinating people from all over the world and all different industries. And the one that Ryan's talking about here is a conversation I had yesterday with a leader who's the brand leader of the fastest growing company. cosmetic brand in the country. And she, I got connected to her because she's ex Nike and I coached a bunch of Nike people and she's elevating and elevating and elevating. And, uh, her boss just said to her yesterday, um, make sure you're not mothering your team, her, her executive team. And I had asked her, well, did you ask him what he meant by that? And she said, no, they kind of laughed it off.
Adrian Kaler 2:54
And she just assumed she knew what he meant. And I assume I knew what he meant, too, and had lots of commentary about, can I please talk to this guy? Because that's anytime somebody speaks in that much metaphor, they're avoiding conversations. So she has some feedback. He has some feedback for is what I would assert. But then it got me thinking, got us in a great conversation about what might be missing in our leadership. Because maybe she is overcompensating with the the I don't know, more feminine spirit, which is naturally throughout the ages. This isn't and everybody's different. Right. So don't be offended. But, you know, the natural maternal spirit, feminine spirit is one that supports and sees and corrals and connects and attracts and protects. in a certain way and usually more emotionally as a trend. And the male spirit, masculine spirit is more challenge, push, direct, vision, protect with fists or tongue like that.
Adrian Kaler 3:58
And that generated a huge conversation about leadership and what might be missing for her. And I coach probably 75% men and 25% badass women. But it does connect into where my commitment is for my clients, which is to be what I call a fierce advocate for them. and sometimes that's what's missing in leadership is for men to slow down enough and connect and usually to share and to even confess and clean up the relational side of the business they just think the business strategy and the business plan will win the day and it's not that people and and you know our commitment at our firm take new ground you know we know that people generate all the issues and people solve all the issues and most great leaders

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