Adrian Ma

What do you make of that now as the war enters week four?

We've been speaking with Yossi Melman, a journalist who covers Israel intelligence and strategic affairs.

He's also co-author of the book Spies Against Armageddon.

Thank you so much for taking the time.

This episode was produced by Henry Larson and Daniel Hoffman.

It was edited by Tinbeat Ermias and Sarah Robbins.

Our executive producer is Sammy Yannigan.

It's Consider This from NPR.

I'm Adrian Ma.

When it comes to the Epstein files, we often hear about the famous people mentioned in them.

But a reporting team at NPR recently focused on a place, the Interlochen Center for the Arts.

That's Ava Berger, an intern here at NPR.

She co-reported a story recently about Jeffrey Epstein's relationship to Interlochen.

The largest chunk of that donation went to building a cabin on Interlochen's campus.

Epstein and his co-conspirator, Ghislaine Maxwell, would stay there for brief visits, years before they were convicted for sex crimes.

Ava learned how those visits worked.

And that's where the story takes a turn.

Those girls, now women in their 40s, became wrapped up in Epstein's orbit.

Consider this.

To unravel personal stories of how Epstein and Maxwell gained access to girls at Interlochen, it required reporters to spend days sifting through documents.