Agnes Callard

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Elucidations · Episode 126 - Listener Q&A with Agnes Callard and Ben Callard · 11 Jun 2020 podcast

And you know that Yeah,

And like we have defenses, I think, built up against taking in, even taking in the evidence.

But those defenses can be worn down.

Um they can be worn down by an authority figure, or they can be worn down by just people kind of presenting us with a little bit of the evidence and be like, you're probably thinking this, and then they can sort of finesse it.

And so it may be that when you're making an extraordinary claim, you have to apply some finesse in how you present the evidence in order to over

overcome people's defenses, that might not be a bad thing that that high bar is required.

I think because there's a kind of like economics of attention allocation problem which is that it just might take a fair bit of time to get through the extraordinary evidence and you have to decide whether to allocate attention to it or not.

And so you need to be meta persuaded to even pay attention.

Uh can I just offer a totally different framework?

Um so I think that there's a distinction between like a price and a sanction, right?

So a price means you pay a certain amount of money to be allowed to do something.

And a sanction means like there's some kind of penalty that's imposed on you for doing what's forbidden.

Okay.

So when you want to park somewhere, you pay a fee to park there, right?

That's like the price.

But a sanction would be you get a parking ticket 'cause you didn't park where you were supposed to.

Um and now you could just view the parking ticket as a price, right?

And just be like, it's okay, I'm okay with the ticket, I'm gonna park here and then I'll take the ticket.

And I think that there's a kind of fuzzy borderline between prices and sanctions at the level of small sanctions.

So I think it's probably okay to view a parking ticket as just a price you're gonna pay for parking somewhere if you really wanted to park there.

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