Aidan Regan

I mean, I obviously have a lot of respect for Brian's work and the research he's done.

And if his research says actually increasing prices reduces traffic, I will be curious about the cities that he's talking about.

And I suspect if you asked him to unpack that a bit further, I presume he would make the case for much more investment in public transport.

So the priority really ought to be investing in public transport and

The priority ought to be investing in the public infrastructure.

The priority ought to be investing in like drop and ride systems, etc.

And then when you have that in place, right, absolutely whack up the prices to get people off the road.

But as a kind of first time fix and good luck to any government at this moment or point in time that is going to increase prices on what would disproportionately hit lower earners who are car dependent.

And that is just not good politics at this moment.

I suspect they would.

But again, it's not great carpoolers in this country.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, even like in UCD where I work, sometimes you'd be like I'd be on the bicycle, let's say, and you're leaving the university and there'd be a line of cars and you could have 40, 50 cars in a row and there'd be one person per car.

going nowhere.

So it's completely inefficient.

It's completely irrational, quite frankly.

And then the question is, there's lots of people in those cars that could quite easily pool or do have an alternative.

There's always going to be a case where people don't have a choice and that has to be accommodated.

But the reality is, in Ireland, in Dublin in particular,

I think it's 70 percent of journeys are within a two and a half kilometre radius.