Alan Stein Jr.

And instead, I arrive at the gym and can see the lights already on, can hear sneakers squeaking and a ball bouncing from the parking lot.

I walk in at 3.30 in the morning.

He's going through a warm-up.

He doesn't even count that as part of his workout.

Gosh, that's good.

So he's doing that at 3.30 before his workout actually started with his trainer at 4.

Bro, that's crazy.

And he went on for a couple hours, again, sticking to the basics and just drilling down.

And, you know, he's one of those guys that really understands the concept.

You know, if you want to perform well in front of millions, then you have to be willing to put in millions of reps when no one else is watching, which is how we define the unseen hours.

And that actually I stole from my friend Drew Hanlon, who's an NBA skills coach.

He's the one that came up with the term unseen hours.

And I conveniently borrowed that and I use it everywhere because I really believe that success in anything, even the success of your podcast,

is predicated on the due diligence and the research that you do on each guest before the mics go hot.

And that's the unseen hours.

And that's what a lot of people, they don't see.

Absolutely.

And I don't know if you know the reason that he did the workout at 4 a.m., but it parlays perfectly into your new book, you know, Just Do One More.

The reason Kobe does that, he understands that even the most aggressive players in the NBA, they're going to get in two workouts a day during the offseason.

Mm-hmm.