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Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
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Welcome back, everybody. I love doing the Max Out program 2.0. And today I can't wait to share with you what I call the three steps of mastery. See, there's three stages that you have to go through in order to master something in life. And oftentimes we quit in the first stage because we don't realize it's just a natural progression to getting good at something.
And so in any pursuit you have, if you want to start a new business, a new career, you want to learn to swim. Like right now, I'm picked up the hobby of riding horses. And that's a unique thing to do at 50 years old. And so I'm addicted to it. So it's kind of a new pursuit of mine.
So whether you started a new business or you're in the middle of a business you've got or you've got people in your business who are newer or you're trying something new, it's very easy to beat ourselves up or really not understand that there are three stages of mastery. And it's just mandatory. You're going to go through them. You can't cheat the system.
And so in the three stages of mastery, let me tell you what they are.
then i'll break them down for you there's the awkward stage at anything you begin to do the awkward stage and if you do enough repetitions you can move to what i call the mechanical stage and then from the mechanical stage eventually you move to what i call the natural stage everybody looks at you goes ah man you're incredible you're a natural like whatever you do for a living right now if you've been doing it for a long time the first day on your job i guarantee you you were awkward i guarantee you everything about it was awkward where to go the people's names what to call things where to
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Chapter 2: What are the three stages of mastery?
I had seen all the, I was natural. So you walked in there, I was like, this guy's a natural busboy. Well, the truth is that's true in everything. Right now, I started to learn to ride horses, right? First day out there, you don't think about these things. I'm like, what type of horse is it? I didn't even know the breed. I didn't even know the word. What do you call a female horse?
What's a bridle? What's a halter? How do you put a saddle on them? What side do you get on the horse, the left or the right? How do you get off the reins? Are you riding Western or English? I'm like, I have no idea. I guess Western. I was totally awkward. And people that are horse people, they're just like, It's all natural to them, right? They get on the horse, they ride, they saddle it up.
How do you back it up? How do you stop it? Like, it's crazy, right? But now I've been doing it for like, I don't know, six months. I've ridden quite a bit. And now I'm kind of mechanical. I know how to put the bridle on. I know how to walk it with the halter. I know how to put the bridle on the horse. I know how to put the saddle on. I know where to get on. I know how to ride. And I'm pretty good.
But if you watch me and you were really experienced in riding horses, you go, he kind of gets it. He's mechanical. The mechanical stage is like this. You ever go to like a wedding or you're at a club or something and the person's got the dance moves down, but they kind of dance to the lyrics and not the beat. You know what I mean?
Like, you're like, the guy's got the moves, but it's just, there's something, he's got the mechanics, but I think he's dancing to the words and not the beat. You know what I mean? That's the mechanical stage. But eventually you see somebody, they're like, oh, they got the rhythm and the beat. That's the natural stage. So the question is, how do you move from awkward to mechanical? You ready?
Repetitions and awareness. Repetitions and awareness. So no matter what you do, you got to do more and more reps at it, more and more experience. And as you're getting that experience, being aware of the things that worked and didn't, getting coaching, getting feedback, course correcting, And improving. Success is not complicated.
So no matter what it is you're doing, if you're an athlete and you're listening and you've had to switch positions, you were on the offensive side, now you're on the defensive side. It's not that playing defense isn't for you. It's that you better do a lot of reps. You better have a lot of awareness. You better watch a lot of film. You better do a course correction.
So you do it through repetitions, awkward, enough reps and awareness and course corrections, you'll move to mechanical. And then from the mechanical phase, it's the same process. More and more and more repetitions, more and more course correction and awareness until you become natural. And in business, all the money's made at the natural phase.
Oftentimes in business, the money is predicated upon your ability to get natural and your ability to train other people at their jobs or crafts to become natural as well. What's most incredible to me, if I can be candid with you, is there's an art and a science to being successful at anything. And most people love the art, the mindset, the thinking, the thought processes.
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Chapter 3: How do we move from awkward to mechanical in skill development?
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Chapter 4: What role do repetitions and awareness play in mastering a skill?
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The story that I like to tell, and this is something that I kind of kick Atomic Habits off with, is the story of the British cycling team. And for many years, British cycling was very mediocre. They had never won a Tour de France, which is the premier race in cycling. They had won a single gold medal over like a hundred year span.
And they brought this new performance coach in named Dave Brailsford. And he had this concept that he called the aggregation of marginal gains, the aggregation of marginal gains. And the way that he described it was the 1% improvement in nearly everything that we do related to cycling. So they started looking at a bunch of things you would expect a cycling team to focus on.
Like they put slightly lighter tires on the bike, or they designed like an ergonomic seat for the riders. They had the riders wear a little feedback sensor, little chip to see how each individual responded to training. Then they would adjust the practice schedule. But then they started doing like these little 1% changes, these small improvements that nobody else was really thinking about.
Like they hired a surgeon to come in and teach the riders how to wash their hands to reduce the risk of catching a cold or getting the flu. They have this big trailer, like a semi trailer that carries a lot of bikes in it to major events.
And they painted the inside of that truck trailer white so that they could spot little bits of dirt and dust that might get in the gears and degrade the performance of the bikes. They had two different types of fabrics. They've got like indoor racing suits and outdoor racing suits. And they tested those fabrics in a wind tunnel.
And they found out that the indoor fabric was lighter and more aerodynamic. So they asked all of their riders to wear that fabric. They even had all their different riders test, you know, like a bunch of like maybe a dozen different types of pillows. And then they see which one led to the best night's sleep for each person.
And then once they figured that out, they brought that on the road with them to hotels for the Tour de France and so on. And Brailsford said something like, if we can actually do this, if we actually make all these 1% improvements related to cycling, then I think we can win a Tour de France within five years. He ended up being wrong.
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Chapter 5: Why is self-awareness crucial for long-term success?
You're outstanding. So for someone listening to this, talk about routine. Because everyone wants to be free. One of the challenges, they act free before they are. You know what I mean? There's a certain amount of disciplines and routine and habits and rituals you've got to have that could get you free at one point. Talk about that for a second.
Yeah, I'm going to say honestly, man, you know, I came to the realization one day and again, love my biological father, you know, much respect, much respect for the person that raised me. But I realized at some point when I looked at my family's history, I was like some things I don't want and some things I want. But there's some things I don't want.
And then I remember having to say one day to myself, you know, you are your father's child. Like yo, even though he didn't raise you, even though in the beginning you guys had, you know, whatever little stuff y'all need to get through, E, don't lie, you are lazy at times. You know what I'm saying? Like E, you are super social and you'd rather talk than work. You know what I'm saying?
I just had to grow up one day and just be real with myself and just say, E, the only way you're going to be successful is you got to discipline yourself. You know, when you look at a horse, I'm talking about a thoroughbred, it still needs that, what is that thing called that they put on it? He still needs that without, you know, you can't, you got to control him.
You know, he got a lot of juice, got a lot of energy. He can go for it. But you got to hone that.
Yeah.
And so I realized, like, yo, E, you'd sleep in. You'd play video games. Don't lie to yourself. You are powerful. But you have some vices. And you have some vices that take you down a crazy road. Like, you are your father. You are your grandfather. You are your mother. You are your grandmother. Like, it's real. And so I started saying, okay, E, you got to discipline yourself. And this is for me.
This ain't for everybody. I started getting up at 3 o'clock in the morning.
Hmm.
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Chapter 6: What is the significance of learning how to learn?
Yes.
In your opinion, it is what? What would you say?
Your ability to learn faster. I really do believe that if there was, let's say, let's say there was a genie and they could grant you one wish, anything you want. Most people would wish for more wishes. That would be the hack, right? If somebody had a genie, Aladdin's gonna give you one wish, you ask for more wishes.
But if I was a learning genie and I could help you learn any subject, any skill, you know, anything, what would you want? What would you wish for? You would ask to learn how to learn.
I did a program at Google and I remember hearing this from the chairman said, the amount of information that's been created from the dawn of humanity since human beings walked the earth through the year 2003, which is only about a decade and a half ago, that amount of information is now created every two days. Oh my gosh. 48 hours online.
Think about the blogs, the podcasts, the social media, that much content. Our brain, they say we use such a small potential of it. We use all our brain, but some people use it more efficiently than other people.
But you talk an awful lot about the way we were learning 100 years ago is still the same way we're taught to learn. And a simple thing you said, because almost everybody listening to this, well, I know they are. They're listening to this as a podcast. They're taking notes. They go to seminars. They take notes.
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Chapter 7: How can effective note-taking enhance retention?
They're reading books. And just a simple difference in the way we take notes even, you have told, I didn't even realize this, but this is an old way to take notes. There's a different way to experience even note-taking. Can you give some tips on that?
So I recommend everybody takes notes of this specific episode because it boosts retention. People don't realize this. There's a learning curve, but there's also a forgetting curve. Science is saying that within two days, just 48 hours of listening to a podcast, reading a book, going to a conference, getting a coaching, 80% of it, up to 80% is lost. Incredible.
You know, as somebody who's investing time, energy, treasure into something to lose all that, you know, so you want to be able to hold that on. And so one of the ways of doing it is by taking notes. And we did a whole episode on proper note taking and really one that's more brain friendly. Most people, and what they found is the worst way of taking notes actually is verbatim.
Which is the way I take notes. I used to. Yeah, verbatim, full transcription. And they study this at universities because they test people. People take word for word. And one of the reasons why is because there's just so much information. You have 18 pages of word for word. You don't even know what's most important. But they found the best way of actually taking notes were more on keywords.
and relevancy.
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Chapter 8: What are the key questions to ask for personal growth?
So for example, one of the ways of taking notes that I recommend is taking a piece of paper and putting a line straight down the page. And on the left side, what I'm doing is I'm capturing information. Capturing. So we could talk about how to remember names and how to read faster and how to learn skills faster, how to change your habits. That would be on the left-hand column.
You're capturing information. But on the right side, instead of capturing, you're creating. What does that mean? It means that you're writing, you're creating, and you're building on this. You're putting your impressions. So essentially, on the left side, you're taking notes, but on the right side, you're making notes.
And there's a clear distinction between just capturing information and actually create the creative process. Why does that matter? It matters because if you're, first of all, for focus, A lot of people, when they're listening to something, their mind will go somewhere else. They'll get distracted.
So here, instead of it going somewhere else, it goes on the right side of the page, which is, let's say, left side, right brain. Left brain, right brain. Left brain is more logical and words and language and linear. But on the right side is your imagination. It's your creativity. So your creativity can go there. The other thing is it forces you to ask questions.
I believe that questions are the answer. I think it's essential for understanding, for critical thinking, for focus, for learning. If you ever want to read something, let's say people feel absent-minded. They forget where they put things. Their wallet, their purse, their keys, or if not their keys, something larger like their car.
You see the people in the finding, they forget that they parked their car. They read a page in a book at the end and forget what they just read. They'll get a name from somebody and they'll just forget it right away. One of the ways to insulate that is to ask questions, to ask questions about something.
So for example, when I'm taking notes, I'll capture information on the left side, but on the right side, I'll write questions I have about what I'm learning. I'll ask myself questions like how I'm going to apply it. You know what the biggest challenge I have with the self-help personal development industry is that there's this massive lie that's being spread saying that knowledge is power.
Yeah. Thinking is the process of asking and answering questions to yourself. That's why left and right page here matters. Everybody stay with us on that. That's all thinking is. That's all thought is.
Exactly. And you're capturing your thinking. And even the greatest minds out there, they journal. They're always creative. You think about Leonardo da Vinci or Marie Curie, their journals are worth fortunes. And it's interesting asking this question, is it because they were geniuses? And when I say genius, I don't mean IQ.
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