Alastair Campbell
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first heard Jul 2026
last heard 15 Jul
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Absolutely accept that.
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Did that lead to problems related to community cohesion?
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Yeah, it did in some places.
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In other places, it didn't.
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But did it lead to, and I know you're going to disagree with this because you're going to say I'm doing the same thing as saying the problem isn't the problem, it's the consequences.
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But did the immigration debate within our politics become swamped with exaggerated figures, exaggerated consequences?
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I think it did.
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It's that, I think, as much as the numbers that fueled the problems we have now.
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So, for example, you take an issue like, you know, live very, very recently, the whole, you know, the grooming gangs issue.
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Terrible, terrible, terrible problem.
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Lots of mistakes made along the way.
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But the way that it's now become identified purely, virtually purely within our debate is an issue of Muslims, as opposed to some of the worst grooming gangs being white people in white communities.
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I think that is a problem.
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And of course, it's very, very hard.
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Well, who's the worst grooming gang?
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I want to have a debate where we can actually say, these are real problems.
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Once you've got a politics that's been defined through a certain prism, and the prism at the moment, because of our media, because of people like Farage and so forth, it's defined in a certain way, I think that's what I mean about the problem becomes worse.
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You used the phrase there, reasonable debate.
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I know who Sarah Champion is, and I know what she was trying to do.
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And I also accept, I do agree with you, that there have been times, probably particularly when it's been related to race, but also I think we're seeing it in other issues.
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