Alastair Campbell

I think it can be done, but it's going to take some fundamental resets in things like our tax and regulatory system.

We tax and regulate our businesses to such an extent.

They can't grow.

We punish growth.

When it happens, we're not investing in the right kind of defense.

We're not taking a lot of things as seriously as we should.

And I think these are recoverable because we've still, we're in the right time zone.

We've got a fantastic education system.

We've got some very, very good technologists.

London is the world's third largest AI country.

uh center but we are going to have to do some big things differently if we are going to maintain that power and and really easy to watch soft power people think diplomacy is soft power it's not it's hard power it's hard power with a smiley face and velvet gloves but it is predicated on your ability to do difficult and tough stuff if need be and if we are not willing or able to do that

then we are not going to be able to have any kind of sovereignty.

But it really comes down to strong economic decisions, cheaper energy, because that fuels everything.

We became wealthy and powerful and influential in the age of steam because we had first move advantage on an energy source.

And if we want to stay top table, we've got to understand that

particularly in the modern day and age, all comes down to energy policy.

We're labouring completely the wrong place.

One word for each?

Yeah, have a phrase or just give us a sense of your assessment of those three that you...

So Rishi, I think, could have been a great prime minister if the circumstances were different when he stepped in.