Alastair Campbell

But this really, really interested me because that says to me, if you're thinking the traditional Trumpian Farageist view, I bet Farage's view of mental health is very much, oh, pull yourself together.

I don't know that.

He won't come on the podcast to tell us.

But I think this says to me, if you're going into...

tough working class communities, a lot of the stuff that is making their life worse than it should be is about mental health.

And this to me is those people saying that and government needs to listen.

Now, I've got to declare an interest.

We've talked before about when your name is on the front cover of a book.

Well, I'm in the middle here on this book by Lindsay Nicholson, and I should declare an interest.

Lindsay Nicholson is one of my oldest friends.

When Fiona and I were trainee journalists…

half a century ago, nearly.

Lindsay was also a trainee journalist, and her husband was a guy called John Merritt, who was my best friend, who died in his 30s.

We were all in the West Country.

All down in the West Country.

And the book's called How to Survive Losing It All.

And Lindsay has written a previous book about John, my best friend, her husband dying, followed by her daughter dying.

Both died of leukemia.

In his 30s, yeah.

And is that related?