Alastair Campbell

Okay.

I had a block about seeing somebody.

Yeah.

Nothing wrong with me.

It's everybody else who's crazy.

And I had a block about using medication for a long, long time.

And this is why the thing about talking therapy is so important, because in the end, I found somebody, a guy called David Sturgeon, who's sadly now dead, who I totally trusted.

It can.

It does have side effects and you just have to manage those.

I mean, the medication I'm on now, sertraline, is probably the...

Sixth medication that I've been on, and some of them have been terrible side effects.

Okay.

So you have to keep experimenting.

You do, and you have to kind of, this is why the relationship's so important.

And I had this, David was so wonderful, because he wouldn't say, this is going to work.

He'd say, let's give this a go.

Okay.

And you give it a go, and eventually you find something.

And I find too many people give up too soon on the talking therapy, and they give up too soon on the medication.

But this really, really interested me because that says to me, if you're thinking the traditional Trumpian Farageist view, I bet Farage's view of mental health is very much, oh, pull yourself together.