Alberto Lopez

But since they didn't have knowledge or background in design or computing, they couldn't.

So we suddenly thought that it was a good opportunity for us to create something by which people without knowledge or background in design could create these things.

So for the first year, we were working at the same time in that agency and also in Genially.

So also, another two co-founders,

came so they invested their own time and also so you have three you have three founders you plus two others no me and Juan Rubio which is the CEO Chema Roldan is the CTO and Luis Garcia which is the who is the so four four co-founders

Four co-founders, yeah.

You could say that.

It's much more complicated.

Our cap table is difficult because in the other company, in Covantis, we were four co-founders.

So...

We own 25% of that company.

So the cap table is a bit complicated in this moment because we have raised around $5 million.

In this moment, a lot of different VCs came.

So the cap table is not like that in this moment.

In this moment?

Well, I think it's the data I cannot share with you.

I'm sorry.

Around, I would say, 20%.

Exactly.

I see.